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Re: DW quotes


Here is my siatution, if it's not to late:

my citation :

"Here is the real world"

(translate this into 'matrix')

PS: Sorry to use a movie's citation, I have so studied human's
(it's for the future, Nietzsche)



Le jeudi 16 juin 2005 à 13:01 -0700, Patty Langasek a écrit :
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:57:14AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> > also sprach Clytie Siddall <clytie@riverland.net.au> [2005.06.16.0521 +0200]:
> > > "Somewhere I won't be asked for sex in the middle of a technical
> > > discussion."
> > If that happened, then your peer was just an asshole and even though
> > it may or may not have been possible, you should have just moved on.
> > I can perfectly well imagine women despising men that talk to them
> > with the thought of sex in their heads, be that in Debian or in
> > a bar. Nevertheless, it's a very natural thing to do.
> It /is/ a very natural thing to do, which is part of the reason Erinn and
> Amaya wanted to create this environment to help encourage women to get
> involved in Debian (and open source projects in general). We /shouldn't/
> have to put up with this as a rule and just *ignore* it or move on when it
> happens *often*. And, it does. This should be an issue that can be tackled
> and destroyed eventually, but this is exactly why Debian-Women exists - an
> environment to encourage people to get involved where they *don't* have that
> unneeded pressure and completely tasteless attitude.
> > I can understand perfectly well that such behaviour may feel
> > condescending or diminishing for the female peer, who is basically
> > being reduced to her sex independent of conversation topic or
> > environment. Nevertheless, rest assured: this isn't something us
> > evil men are out to do. Our mission is not to reduce women to their
> > body. Our mission is, well... whatever our mission is, a man's
> > brain basically switches to low power consumption mode in the
> > presence of a raised hormone level. True to the spirit of Immanuel
> > Kant, we thus aren't inherently bad people because it's not our
> > intention to let them hormones take over and make us act like
> > animals.
> It's rather brave of you to speak for all men in general, especially when I
> have seen some very tasteless, crude and crass comments *myself* just for
> being on IRC (not necessarily from guys within Debian, but I think part of
> that is my last name warding them off). There are some men, indeed even in
> Debian, who believe that women are just that - available for reproduction
> purposes to "fulfill their debts and obligations to society".
> And while you may not be inherently bad people because it's not your
> intention to let "them" hormones take over and make you act like animals,
> you are *still* responsible for your actions and what you say. Giving an
> excuse like hormones just gives an excuse for the behavior. It does nothing
> to fix it and force "you" to live civilly and platonically with women.
> In short: If a man is ruled by his hormones and takes no responsibility for
> his actions and reduces women to their most basic sexual and animalistic
> levels, then quite frankly? I have a hard time believing he belongs in a
> professional society in general. He is certainly someone with whom *I* don't
> want to communicate and while I can place him /ignore and /dev/null his
> messages to mailing lists, I can't expect every other woman to do the same.
> > So Clytie, if you come across as sexy to your male peer, live or
> > over IRC, you should really not blame them for losing control. :)
> And this is where I grind my teeth, and the whole reason why I had to wait a
> full day before responding to this message (I just couldn't resist
> responding, afterall). If I come across as sexy to my male peer, I most
> certainly *do* expect him to keep control and if he loses control, I most
> certainly *do* blame him. I like to think that the human race, as a whole,
> has evolved from caves, matted hair, picking lice, fleas and ticks off each
> other and communicating with crude pictures and grunts. If I come across a
> man who hasn't seemed to have evolved with the rest of us, I usually take it
> on as my personal mission to send him back to those caves where he belongs.
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Patty Langasek
> harmoney@dodds.net
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> At times, you may end up far away from you; you may not be 
> sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always 
> there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your 
> passion takes you.
>                                 --- J. Michael Straczynski

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