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debian-user-digest Digest				Volume 2003 : Issue 1041

Today's Topics:
  Difference between "woody" and "stab  [ Uwe Storbeck <uwe@ibr.ch> ]
  creating boot cds                     [ adit y <adity24@yahoo.com> ]
  Re: Official Exim 4 package           [ Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> ]
  Re: Official Exim 4 package           [ Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> ]
  apt-get dist-upgrade bails            [ Patrick Wiseman <pwiseman@mindsprin ]
  apt-get dist-upgrade bails            [ Patrick Wiseman <pwiseman@mindsprin ]
  Re: Problems with horde/imp           [ UnKnown <rak@burst.fcien.edu.uy> ]
  Re: sylpheed-doc package broken?      [ ronin2@bellatlantic.net ]
  Re: name conflict: ud / ud-ldap       [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ]
  Re: Newbee-ish X and root question    [ Vineet Kumar <debian-user@virtual.d ]
  Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks           [ Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.c ]
  Re: apt-get dist-upgrade bails        [ Jonathan Matthews <jaycee.removeifn ]
  Re: apt-get dist-upgrade bails        [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ]
  Re: sylpheed-doc package broken?      [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ]
  Re: "Your Sexual Partner Will Not Kn  [ "linux stuff" <linuxstuff@thebytebu ]
  Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks           [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:03:39 +0100
From: Uwe Storbeck <uwe@ibr.ch>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Difference between "woody" and "stable" in apt Default-Release?
Message-ID: <20030327220339.D24645@gin.ibr.ch>
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Hi,

I've just seen a somewhat irritating behaviour of apt-get
update/upgrade. Formerly I thought "woody" and "stable" are synonyms
for now because Woody is the current stable distribution.

I've set Default-Release to "stable" in apt.conf:

APT {
  Get {
    Fix-Broken "true";
    Show-Upgraded "true";
    Purge "true";
  };
  Default-Release "stable";
};

If I add woody-proposed-updates to my sources.list and do an upgrade
with apt-get update/upgrade the packages from proposed-updates won't
get installed:

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody-proposed-updates main contrib non-free

# apt-get upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.

# apt-show-versions -a -p logcheck
logcheck        1.1.1-13.1      install ok installed
logcheck        1.1.1-13.1      stable
logcheck        1.1.1-13.5.woody.0      proposed-updates
logcheck/stable uptodate 1.1.1-13.1

If I change Default-Release to "woody" proposed-updates get installed
as expected.

So if I want proposed-updates I have to set Default-Release to "woody"
instead of "stable". Not just understandable, but as far as good.

If I additionally want to mix stable and testing releases and use apt
pinning things will be somewhat more complicated and don't work as
expected anymore.

My preferences:

Package: *
Pin: release a=woody-proposed-updates,o=Debian,l=Debian
Pin-Priority: 999
Package: *
Pin: release a=stable,o=Debian,l=Debian
Pin-Priority: 900
Package: *
Pin: release a=sarge-proposed-updates,o=Debian,l=Debian
Pin-Priority: 777
Package: *
Pin: release a=testing,o=Debian,l=Debian
Pin-Priority: 700

If I set Default-Release to "stable" pinning works as expected, packages
will be installed from Woody by default. But as already written packages
from proposed-updates will not be installed on upgrades.
If I change Default-Release to "woody" to get the proposed-updates apt
tries to upgrade all my packages to testing on an apt-get upgrade run.
I've tried some variations in the preferences file with "woody" and
"sarge" instead of "stable" and "testing" but nothing works.

What am I doing wrong?

I want my system mostly be pinned to stable with proposed-updates
installed. Additionally I want to use a few packages from testing.

Regards

Uwe
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:54:50 -0800 (PST)
From: adit y <adity24@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: creating boot cds
Message-ID: <20030327205450.56395.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030327202757.GA9627@goofy.lan.aokiconsulting.com>
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Hi,

Just trying to learn how to make bootable installation
cds. Boot cd's downloaded from the website work fine, 
when i raw write partboot.img, partroot.img to a a 2
floppy disks and boot using floppies it works fine. if
i burn them to cd the system boots and looks like it
is asking for a second floppy which has the
partroot.img , if i use the floppy disk it works fine.
but why do i need to insert the second floppy, i
already have the partroot.img in the root directory .
some how the cd i burnt is not  able to know that the
partroot.img image it is expecting is present in the
root directory.

it always stops at vfs: insert root floppy disk to
load ramdisk and present enter it's the same with
every linux cd i burnt right now i am trying to burn
parted restoration cd. i know i am doing something
wrong.

i do 
mkisofs -r -l -o \disk.iso -b partboot.img -c
boot.catalog e:\partediso

thanks
Srinivas




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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:01:11 -0800
From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Official Exim 4 package
Message-Id: <20030327130111.50d4c1c4.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <20030321063708.GA4414@dman.ddts.net>
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	<20030322061118.GA21158@odin>
	<20030322151614.3f659403.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<20030323024943.GC1533@jamin-mini>
	<20030324043617.3123491d.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<20030324160404.GA32463@riva.ucam.org>
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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:31:13 -0800
Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org> wrote:
> Maybe I should stop worry about users who don't notice suggests, they
> clearly know what they're doing. :-P

    Or make a suggests/recommends which break a package a requires?  I
certainly haven't run into any problems with leaving off suggests and
recommends.  Of course I can't think of a package I use where either of those
causes it to break utterly.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
       PGP Key: 8B6E99C5       | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
	                       |    -- Lenny Nero - Strange Days
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:05:45 -0800
From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Official Exim 4 package
Message-Id: <20030327130545.76d315c8.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <20030322061118.GA21158@odin>
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:10:32 -0600
Jamin Collins <jcollins@asgardsrealm.net> wrote:
> Assuming that the "default" option was instituted, any packages without
> this indication would be on even footing WRT what constitutes and
> upgrade, right?  It is possible then that to non-default versions of a
> package that are not upgrade compatible (configuration files changes or
> otherwise).  This would bring us back to the original problem.

    If you were to take my "strain" example you'd be right only in that each
package without default would be on equal footing in regards to being an
upgrade in that none of them would ever be considered an upgrade.

> Perhaps I'm simply mistaken, but I don't believe the "default" method
> would scale.  From what I can see, it would only address one instance of
> package upgrade incompatibility.  If another occurred before the
> "default" changed, I believe it would break.

    Which is why I had suggested a field to identify which paths of packages
were upgrades to one another and which weren't and then designate one path as
the default to be installed with the other as options.  At no time would they
intermingle and it would scale from 1 to whatever.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
       PGP Key: 8B6E99C5       | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
	                       |    -- Lenny Nero - Strange Days
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:40:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Wiseman <pwiseman@mindspring.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: apt-get dist-upgrade bails
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0303270837440.11544-100000@watson>
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I decided to go to 'testing', so edited my sources.list, did 'apt-get
update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' which, after installing lots of packages,
bailed with the following error:

Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/gdk-imlib-dev_1.9.14-6_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

So, how badly hosed is my system, and what do I need to do to complete the
upgrade?

Patrick

-- 
Patrick Wiseman                               pwiseman@mindspring.com
Linux user #17943                             *Google First, Ask Later*
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:46:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Wiseman <pwiseman@mindspring.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: apt-get dist-upgrade bails
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0303271645490.13241-100000@watson>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I decided to go to 'testing', so edited my sources.list, did 'apt-get
update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' which, after installing lots of packages,
bailed with the following error:

Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/gdk-imlib-dev_1.9.14-6_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

So, how badly hosed is my system, and what do I need to do to complete the
upgrade?

Patrick

-- 
Patrick Wiseman                               pwiseman@mindspring.com
Linux user #17943                             *Google First, Ask Later*
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:51:07 -0300
From: UnKnown <rak@burst.fcien.edu.uy>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-isp@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Problems with horde/imp
Message-ID: <20030327215107.GA27446@burst.fcien.edu.uy>
References: <20030327112307.GA22908@burst.fcien.edu.uy>
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Up to now i have regeneraate the openssl certificate, but it seam to be a
diferent problem actually with the access to the horde it selfe. Dont know
how to check if the database is working fine is anyone can give me a hand I
would be thnkfull.

Cheers,
	rak
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 08:23:07AM -0300, UnKnown wrote:
> Hi:
> 	Today i started to recive a strange message from the web mail, in a
> sertein moment a user was reading his mail trough imp then the server drop
> her out with the message " Either you have logged in incorrectly or your
> login has expired. Please login again. ", all the accounts seam to be block
> by the webmail. But in the other hand they are all accessible trough ssh or
> console. The page is redirect to https instead of the normal http.
> 
> 	If any one can give a clue I just run out of ideas.
> 
> 	Thx,
> 		rak
> 
> 
> -- 
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:56:35 -0500
From: ronin2@bellatlantic.net
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: sylpheed-doc package broken?
Message-Id: <20030327165635.7be5e0a9.ronin2@bellatlantic.net>
References: <20030327113444.4965b1bf.list@sonofhans.net>
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:30:44 -0800
Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net> wrote:

> version of sylpheed itself. Unstable has a newer sylpheed that is
> compatible with sylpheed-doc, but it hasn't been moved into testing
> yet. That's what's causing your problem.
> 
> There is no need to file a bug about this; it will resolve itself when
> the unstable version of sylpheed gets into testing.

It may resolve itself when sylpheed moves into testing, but it's still a
bug.

Installing a doc package shouldn't cause removal of a binary package,
even if the binary package an older version.

Kevin
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:58:13 +0000
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: name conflict: ud / ud-ldap
Message-ID: <20030327215813.GA9143@riva.ucam.org>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 08:24:03PM +0000, Jonathan Matthews wrote:
> I've just noticed that "man ud-ldap" gives the same manpage as "man ud", 
> which is also the name of the uptime daemon package and binary.
> 
> The ud-ldap manpage says that it represents the binary "ud", but I know 
> from another debian box that both root and users can execute ud to get a 
> summary of their highest uptimes.  Tab-completing on "ud" without the 
> ud package installed expands to ud-ldap, so it's not a binary name 
> conflict, just a minor glitch in the ud-ldap manpage.  I think.
> 
> Is this something that is catered for in the installation of packages, 
> or is it a conflict for which I should file a bug?  If the latter, which 
> package should it be under?  Neither ldap-utils nor ud have any bugs 
> associated with this ...

Please file a bug against the ldap-utils package asking that the NAME
section of its man page be corrected to describe ud-ldap rather than ud.

Just to confirm, do you really mean that 'man ud-ldap' gives you the man
page for "ud - The uptime daemon" rather than "ud - interactive LDAP
Directory Server query program"? If so, that would also be a bug in
man-db. What version of the man-db package is installed, and what does
'accessdb | grep ^ud' say?

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson                                  [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:02:40 -0800
From: Vineet Kumar <debian-user@virtual.doorstop.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Newbee-ish X and root question
Message-ID: <20030327220240.GB21399@doorstop.net>
References: <20030325161444.13195.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> 
<20030327080407.GE31295@ursine.dyndns.org> <20030327092412.GA6909@doorstop.net>
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* Vineet Kumar <debian-user@virtual.doorstop.net> [20030327 01:41 PST]:
> Please, please, please, don't use xhost.  Really.
>=20
> Better alternatives:  xauth, su -m, ssh -X

And (oh yeah, duh) sudo.

good times,
Vineet
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http://www.doorstop.net/
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:05:39 -0500
From: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
Message-Id: <200303271705.39365.hal@thresholddigital.com>
References: <BAY1-F148piDHYo8qwB00050016@hotmail.com> <200303270038.27523.hal@thresholddigital.com> 
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On Thursday 27 March 2003 07:38 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > If Henry Ford had your attitude, autos would have never been for more
> > than mechanics.
>
> With over five times as many people being killed by autos in the US per
> year as died in the terrorist attacks back in '01, not to mention the
> pollution, noise, and roughly 50% of livable space in cities being
> sacraficed to the transporatation and storage of autos, I think the
> would might have been a better place had Ford had this attitude.

So you're saying autos are a Bad Thing (tm)?=20

Hey, if you don't like autos, why do you participate in using them?  If y=
ou do=20
think we'd be better off and that autos are such a curse (no pun intended=
 --=20
curse, not curses), as a Quaker, I have connections with Mennonites and=20
Amish.  I can certainly help you find a community where they use horses a=
nd=20
buggies instead of autos.

While you say (part not quoted here) that I picked the worst impossible=20
metaphor to make my point, you seem to talk your talk but not walk your w=
alk. =20
If one is to take you at your word, then you take part in using autos eve=
n=20
when you consider them bad (or you at least ride in them), and feel the w=
orld=20
would be much better off if the automobile had never been invented.  Are =
you=20
really trying to make such a far reaching statement?  Can you back it up?

I might add that I use a bicycle for a good deal of my transportation.  I=
=20
don't have trouble with cars getting in my way or running me down.  If yo=
u=20
feel so strongly about cars being a bad thing, what do you do to reduce t=
heir=20
use?  Do you avoid driving and use other transportation?

Yes, people get killed and maimed in auto accidents.  Yes, there are care=
less=20
drivers.  But for your point to be valid, you would have to argue that we=
=20
would be better off without them than we are with them (in which case how=
=20
many lives would we lose because non-auto-accident victims never get medi=
cal=20
attention in time because of distance -- among other things).

Oh, and as a note -- I've spent most of my life working with children, as=
=20
well, in psych hospitals.  If you want to talk about what dangers cars ar=
e to=20
children, I'll go call your bluff and raise what I've seen hundreds of ot=
her=20
elements of our culture do to fsck up kids and teens.

Hal
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:10:17 +0000
From: Jonathan Matthews <jaycee.removeifnotspam@jaycee.uklinux.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt-get dist-upgrade bails
Message-ID: <20030327221017.GA25589@bigdaddy>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0303270837440.11544-100000@watson>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 08:40:39AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> I decided to go to 'testing', so edited my sources.list, did 'apt-get
> update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' which, after installing lots of packages,
> bailed with the following error:
> 
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gdk-imlib-dev_1.9.14-6_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> So, how badly hosed is my system, and what do I need to do to complete the
> upgrade?

FWIW, it's advised to do

<update sources.list to testing>
apt-get update
apt-get install apt dpkg tar ( ... any others anyone?)
apt-get dist-upgrade

... rather than just a straight update; dist-upgrade.

In this case, what does /another/ apt-get dist-upgrade do?

  jc
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:17:12 +0000
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt-get dist-upgrade bails
Message-ID: <20030327221712.GD9143@riva.ucam.org>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 08:40:39AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> I decided to go to 'testing', so edited my sources.list, did 'apt-get
> update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' which, after installing lots of packages,
> bailed with the following error:
> 
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gdk-imlib-dev_1.9.14-6_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

There will (should) have been a more specific error before that. We need
to see it.

> So, how badly hosed is my system,

Not very.

> and what do I need to do to complete the upgrade?

Probably not much, but we can't tell yet. :)

-- 
Colin Watson                                  [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:21:34 +0000
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: sylpheed-doc package broken?
Message-ID: <20030327222134.GE9143@riva.ucam.org>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 04:56:35PM -0500, ronin2@bellatlantic.net wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:30:44 -0800
> Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > version of sylpheed itself. Unstable has a newer sylpheed that is
> > compatible with sylpheed-doc, but it hasn't been moved into testing
> > yet. That's what's causing your problem.
> > 
> > There is no need to file a bug about this; it will resolve itself when
> > the unstable version of sylpheed gets into testing.
> 
> It may resolve itself when sylpheed moves into testing, but it's still a
> bug.

Sure; not one that filing's going to particularly help, though ...

-- 
Colin Watson                                  [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:23:53 -0600
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To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: "Your Sexual Partner Will Not Know Its The Same You!"
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:31:52 +0000
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 05:05:39PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Thursday 27 March 2003 07:38 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > With over five times as many people being killed by autos in the US per
> > year as died in the terrorist attacks back in '01, not to mention the
> > pollution, noise, and roughly 50% of livable space in cities being
> > sacraficed to the transporatation and storage of autos, I think the
> > would might have been a better place had Ford had this attitude.
> 
> So you're saying autos are a Bad Thing (tm)? 
> 
> Hey, if you don't like autos, why do you participate in using them?
[...]
> I might add that I use a bicycle for a good deal of my transportation.  I 
> don't have trouble with cars getting in my way or running me down.  If you 
> feel so strongly about cars being a bad thing, what do you do to reduce their 
> use?  Do you avoid driving and use other transportation?

IIRC, Paul has said in the past that he gets around by bicycle virtually
all the time.

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Colin Watson                                  [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]

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