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Re: Woody release - WHAT is current status



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Anthony Towns wrote on Thu May 30, 2002 um 09:33:25PM:

> > The problem is: no progress report means no (visible) progress. And of
> > course this is the problem of debian as a whole organisation, there is no
> > "us" and "rest".
> 
> There is always an "us" and "rest". There's the people who're knowledgable
> and motivated enough to fix something and those who aren't.

There no easy way to help "you". Especially when "you" work without
transparency. When "you" see that "you" won't be able to do the job in
time, "you" may ask for help and tell how, so some of the "rest" could
come and help. Someone here argumented, the CVS archives are public,
etc. etc. But when I do not know, when nobody outside knows, where it
hurts, how do you expect help?

> > It realy looks like "we" where finished so unexpected quickly that "we" did
> > not be able to forsee a release and failed to set up the infrastructure for
> > it.
> 
> The security team decided they weren't willing/able to maintain security
> updates quite a while ago, and made that pretty clear on at least a
> few lists. If you wanted to do something about it, you could've. If the

The only thing I knew about is that they refused to make security
updates for Testing. But Testing is to be released. It will _be_ the
Stable, so I cannot see where the problem should be? Why is this tasks
more complicated that building current Stable updates? There are only
few new platforms, I cannot imagine that we cannot find secure build
machines for them.

> security team wanted to, they could've. But, naturally, the people to
> blame are the ones who're actually doing something about it.

I cannot _see_ any progress. What kind of policy is it, if not every
regular developer can explain to an outsider where the problems are?

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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