Re: Debian needs more buildds. It has offers. They aren't being accepted.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 05:59:35AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:18:14 +1100, Matthew Palmer <firstname.lastname@example.org> said:
> > Hang on, you're saying that Nathanel is an idle bystander? I think
> Yes, I am. If he is not working as a apprentice RM, he is an
> idle bystander. As am I. As are you. People who genuinely cared to
Oops. He is working as an apprentice RM.
> > you need to wander around the l.d.o archives for a bit. He knows
> > and does a hell of a lot more than some DDs. He's active in QA, RM,
> So what?
Contributions, as you say so yourself. Just pointing them out.
> You seem to have the bee in your bonnet that somehow there is a war
> between DD's and non-DD's -- and this is not condusive to running the
> project smoothly.
> Lose the chip on your shoulder, and come to this discussion
> using logic, not emotions.
OK, I will. I've seen the protagonists in this flame war criticised by
several people on the basis that they are not Debian developers.
Anthony Towns: "without even being willing to agree to the principles of the
Anthony Towns again: "don't waste our time trying getting the DPL to dismiss
delegates when you're not either willing or able to pass through n-m."
Anthony Towns once more: "Good thing you're not a developer and thus don't
get any say, then."
Hmm, I can only seem to besmirch Anthony's character at present. This
flamewar is too long for easy quote-finding.
At any rate, contributors to the project have been attacked for not being
DDs. I think that at least suggests there may be some division there, which
is not good.
Ooh, I just thought of a nice quote - "The first step is admitting you have
> > It saddens me that, even here, we can't deal with people on the
> > basis of merit, and instead form our cliques and shun outsiders.
> Merit is hard t gauge. Contribution is not. I deal with people
> on the basis of "show me the code", and past and present
> contribution to the task.
Is analysis of the problem not a contribution? It shows that you have some
understanding of the problem domain. While you may not have the full range
of practical skills, shouldn't enthusiasm count for something as well?
I wonder if we could create a boiler.lists.debian.org? Having it nice and
close to the mailing lists should provide enough heat transfer to run a
couple of turbines. We could make the project self-sustaining - power all
our own machines, and sell power to surrounding areas of the Internet!