On 13/09/14 22:46, lee wrote:
I'd be happy to see some support. I cannot speak for "the users" or for "the free software community". You users, and the community members, whoever they are, need to speak as well.
OK, so I'll "speak as well". :-)But first of all I'd like to thank you and some other people here for trying so hard to stop a development that I consider very unfortunate.
I have been using Linux for almost 20 years now. In the beginning the main problem for me was to find software that could do what I wanted. Today I am spending a considerable amount of time trying to get rid of components and "features" that I neither need nor want.
I recently managed to get rid of the dbus daemon (in Wheezy) by removing evince, liferea, zenity, and jackd2. I replaced these by qpdfview, rawdog, xdialog (from Debian Archives) and jackd1, and freed over 100 MB of disc space in the process.
I used to program in Assembler back in the days of MŚ DOS, and in my books the best program for a particular job is still the one that consumes the least amount of resources while doing what needs to be done. When Videolan (now vlc) was new, it made me happy by enabling me to watch DVDs almost jerk-free on a 386SX. Today, vlc tries to pull in some 45(!) or so additional packages to do the same thing. Isn't that somewhat ridiculous? And isn't it also ridiculous when a PDF reader refuses to open a file that you give it because there is no "dbus" running?
Of course I still have libdbus, libdconf and all that stuff installed, as other packages depend on it even without dbus and gnome, and _something_ keeps creating a ".pulse" directory and a ".pulse-cookie" file in my $HOME although I never used or installed Pulseaudio.
My impression is that most of the issues I've had with Debian recently (e. g. with udev after upgrades) originate from the same corner of the Linux universe, namely the developers of so-called "Desktop Environments" who keep trying to convert Linux into some sort of free (?) MS Windows. And the solution, in my humble opinion, might be to split Debian into a branch for Desktop Environment users and a branch for users who do not want such "integration".
And by the way - if it is true that systemd comes from a company that does business with the military and with secret services, that alone would be enough of a reason for me to reject it.
Thanks for listening. peter