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Re: Public request that action be taken at whoever abused their technical power to remove me from the kernel team at alioth.



Sven Luther <luther@debian.org> writes:

> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:11:01PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
>> * Sven Luther (luther@debian.org) [070529 22:05]:
>> > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:26:20PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
>> > > Please limit the number of posts per day to this thread.
>> > 
>> > Lively discussion
>> 
>> Lively discussion and DoS is a different thing. You do DoS.
>
> Then offer me a different medium.

Please gather all your thoughts on the subject and write a letter, as
concisely and to the point as possible.  Print out 1000 copies and
mail ONE COPY ONLY to each developer.

> Then respond to my requests of an in RL meeting, or setup an irc
> meeting with rules, or propose another media, like a web pages, with
> an impartial judge and transparent handling. Or go ahead an create
> the social comittee so many have asked for to deal with this issue.

Why do you need an "impartial judge"?  This is a communal volunteer
project, not a court of law.  Like it or not, you need to be able to
cooperate with your fellow developers, despite their potential biases,
likes and dislikes.  Can't get along with particular folks?  Then move
on and do something more productive, or learn to work with them
nicely.  Complaining more won't help--we have already heard the
arguments enough times over the last few years.

We get that you can't work with certain developers.  That's a problem
you have not made sufficient efforts to either resolve or avoid.
There was never a need to let things get this bad, but you did and are
continuting to do so with this huge spam flood.  Deal with it and
carry on with life.  Life isn't perfect; the rest of us accept that we
don't always get our own way (irrespective of the rights and wrongs of
the matter in question), and move on from that.

> Sure, mail is not the best media, let's find something else, but the
> status quo is not acceptable to me, despite all those whose sole
> argument is "YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AND LIVE WITH IT".

That's just the way things really and truly are.  That's the reality,
whether you like it or not.

If you want to change it, you need to make a big effort to rectify the
damage you have caused to your relations with your fellow developers.
Is this possible at this stage?  I don't know.  It's largely up to you
to do it if you can.


Regards,
Roger

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