Adam McKenna wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 09:52:20PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:Hell, at my going rates for providing service to custoers, I'll send mail from wherever the customer tells me to. Want to know where to sign up?This may not matter much in the "fuck you, you're just a braindead user" world of Debian, but in the real world it matters quite a bit.So please, please, please, go the hell back to the real world, and leave s free software dreamers in our fantasy world.It is this attitude that is sending Debian down the road of being an OS for hackers only, where real people who want to get things done will have to use a Debian-based distro, like Ubuntu. I noticed it when I first joined Debianand it's only gotten worse over the years. I'm aware that most DD's don't care about this. (At least, if anyone other than me cares about this, they're not speaking up).I'll continue attempting to provide perspective when I feel it's appropriate,but if this attitude remains entrenched in our culture, I won't be surprised if Debian becomes the next Slackware.I also want to say for the record that Overfiend is hereby prohibited from touching my onus.
you're so unreasonable I don't even know where to start but here are the most obvious problems in your recent emails:
official debian support is the debian-users mailing list, nobody should email to developers directly and if they do they'd better be ready to not waste developer's time (or be ready to enter business relationship).
as far as debian being down the road to be distro for hackers only, perhaps you didn't notice that debian is not a business but organization of volunteers that more or less (well, I hope more more then less) agree with social contract. When you buy a product from some company you expect them to back it up at least a bit (warranty, some support etc.), sadly lot of software companies ignore that but at least in theory that's how it works. When you get debian there is no such relationship - you get debian, you are entitled to use it according to licence, you can use mailing lists to get support. Debian is not the same as redhat/suse/mandrake and other commercial distros. That's what makes debian better for some users, worse for others. There's no need for all distros to be the same and frankly I find your comments very debian unlike. Considering popularity of debian (and other distros of similar nature) it looks like there's a need for debian-like style distro. I know I personally like debian because at least one of its target users are people like me (I am a developer, sysadmin on the side).
and slackware rocks. erik