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Re: Debian IS for the enterprise (Was: Debian Enterprise?)

Quoting Cameron Patrick <cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au>:

> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 03:00:20PM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> | So when talking 'crud' and 'crap' here, I mean 'everything that is not
> | needed/wanted on a server'. Example on that is anything that uses a GUI
> | (ie, X11 stuff such as window managers, games), the lg-* (The Linux
> | Gazette) packages etc, etc... The list could be long...
> Now that is just rubbish!  To start with, Debian aims to be useful on
> more than just servers.

Does it? Than that is wrong in my opinion. We don't need an additional
'distribution that fits everything'. We need a (GOOD!) _server_ distribution.

And I always thought Debian GNU/Linux was that distribution...

> The web page describes it as "the universal  operating system"; one
> of the nice features about Debian, from my perspective, is that an
> enormous amount of software is packaged for and included with it.

Me to. That's always the first thing I mention. But we have getting more
and more troubles getting a release 'out the door'. One of the (biggest)
problems is the shear size of the distribution. It's to big, and not enough
developers to test and fix bugs...

> It is also conceivable that the 'crap' that you decry might be required
> on a server - if that server is a terminal server providing applications
> to remote X displays, for example, having X11 installed would be a
> requirement.

Oki, fine. In any case, we need to rethink our 'target audience' and make
sure that audience get the BEST of the best...

> Further to this, if you don't want to have a given package installed on
> your server, you are quite welcome to /not/ install it!

That have absolutely nothing to do with the issue(s)! I say again: The problem
with getting releases out the door in a timely manner (no, two years between
releases is NOT 'timely manner'!!) is the shear size of the distribution.

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