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Re: Woody release - WHAT is current status

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:33:25PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> There is always an "us" and "rest". There's the people who're knowledgable
> and motivated enough to fix something and those who aren't.

...and then there are those who are actually permitted to help out, by
receiving information and experiencing cooperation and support.

There are issues with transmission of knowledge from those who have
historically held positions of responsibility to those who would be
assisting with and ultimately taking over those responsibilities in the

Being told "read the source" and "bored now" is not an adequate
transmission of knowledge.

The release is not being held up by the developers in general; the
release is being held up by a specific set of DPL delegates[1] who are
apparently coping with staffing problems and other exigent
circumstances, the details of which the corpus of developers are being
protected from.

Now, whether the above strategy is a good idea or not I'll leave to
others to decide.  However, I would submit that most Debian developers
simply don't possess the personality traits that respond well to the
mantra of:

"Trust us.  You don't need that information.  Go away."

from people in positions of authority.

So, to the extent that I am correct about Debian developers'
personalities, the complaining is simply something that the Release
Manager, Archive Administrators, Build Daemon Administrators, and
ultimately the Project Leader are going to have to put up with, just as
the Developers, day in and day out, are expect to cope with "Trust us.
You don't need that information.  Go away."

[1] or people who would be DPL delegates, but who might actually have
some kind of strange, grandfathered, extra-Constitutional status[2]

[2] For more highly speculative, theoretical, and
not-at-all-related-to-practical-issues discourse, see section 1 of

G. Branden Robinson                |      Mob rule isn't any prettier just
Debian GNU/Linux                   |      because you call your mob a
branden@debian.org                 |      government.
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