Re: Project for someone with time and will: website update
On 29 April 2011 12:07, Steve Kemp <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:48:32 +0100, Lesley Binks wrote:
>> > ?? ??* Over the past few months things have stagnated.
>> Well, I would disagree. The d-w mentoring scheme has
>> assigned about 12 people (male and female) to mentors (male and female)
>> within the d-w project since September 2010.
> Let me try again.
I find that an incredibly condescending thing to say.
> Over the past few *years* the Debian Women
> project has stagnated; with few additional women joining the
I can't comment on why the Debian Women project has stagnated
in the past few years. I can suggest various reasons why that has
> I'm pleased new mentors have been found, I'm pleased there
> is discussion upon the list again, I'm pleased this seems to
> be beginning to change again, but objectively there has
> been little "recent" activity.
So the adoption of a clear anti-harrassment policy at conferences
is nothing of note? The restarting of the d-w mentoring scheme,
the continuing progression of some female contributors to DM
reflects no activity?
Perhaps you think the project isn't doing anything because
you don't see it.
>> I think d-w is gender-inclusive and the d-w mentoring
>> program has helped both male and female mentees find mentors.
> That is good.
>> If there was no one else with the interest, confidence or w.h.y.
>> to 'do' the website then I would accept that it is better the job is done
>> rather than worry about the gender of the person doing it.
> And this is even better.
>> However, I would certainly feel ambivalent about a group dedicated to the
>> promotion of women within the Debian community having its
>> website built by a bloke.
> I guess, as a bloke, that I tend to concentrate upon the other aim of
> the Debian Women group, which is to make Debian easier to become
> involved with for *anybody*, although obviously Women are the
> main market.
>> Why? If there are enough women with the relevant skills and time in
>> debian-women to do a debian-women related task, why should a
>> bloke do the job instead?
> Then we come down to finding volunteers, and wondering why nothing
> has changed (significantly) over the past couple of years.
As Helen has already said, we will be having a meeting about the website
as a project for people in the debian-women channel at some point. There
is another thread on this list centering on that.
>> If you're claiming there is no kudos in being involved with the Debian
>> project or any particular sub-project, be it debian-women, dsa,
>> debian-security, debian-perl or any other part of the Debian project,
>> then I will equally claim you are wrong.
> Indeed I accept people gain recognition from such activities, but
> at the same time if "Lee" wants to make the website better for
> the website visitors then "Lee's notoriety" matters less than
> the fact that we've all gained from an updated website.
>From the project viewpoint, I agree, we have an updated website and
we gain from that. Separately, from Lee's viewpoint, he/she/it(?) has
another little thing to add to their/its CV i.e. their portfolio of work
done, skills learnt or refreshed and commitment shown.
> On that basis I'm slightly suspicious that you've said it
> would be good to have for your portfolio - something nobody else
> has mentioned really. Still if the upshot is that there is a site
> which everybody loves then I guess you've done a good job and the
> portfolio is part of that. No real difference there than somebody
> who wants to maintain a package they use - and in the same
> OpenSource spirit *everybody* benefits from an active maintainer.
I would be very surprised if people who are involved in the Debian
project *don't* mention it on their CVs in some way. A portfolio is
external proof of ability and that may be useful. I fail to see why
portfolio building should not be important to both women and men.
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