On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:20:13PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > According to my reading of the proposal - either logind gets an RC bug > for not being able to work with other init systems To be clear, this would be a bug against src:systemd about it not working with non-systemd. Do we expect the systemd maintainers to fix this? > (here logind is > considered a separate piece of software) or apps who have a hard > dependency on logind (without fallbacks for cases when it does not > exist or is not running) get a RC bug for that (here logind is > considered to be an integral part of systemd). Here, we will likely do invasive forks of major upstream software (GNOME) to get around a local requirement; do we expect the GNOME team to do this? > > So we can't rely on a new library until that library is supported on all > > init systems? (e.g. logind before shim, etc) > > I'd see it as - new library can't get into Debian [stable release] > until is capable of working with installations being managed by any > init system or even no init system at all (like inside a Docker > container ;)). I don't think it's unfair that things don't work in Docker if they need some userland stuff that isn't around. > > Getting tired of these threads :( > > True that. But at least this is about an actual point. (IMHO) Word. Still on VAC-ly yours, Paul -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> | Proud Debian Developer : :' : 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~paultag `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag/conduct-statement.txt
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