Re: A question to the Debian community ...
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:19:29AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > I am glad never to have worked full-time in such a workplace and would
> > like to remind the project that another world is possible.
>
> Debian isn't out to rid the world of social unfairness; instead, Debian
Wouter, in this case, there is no amorphous Debian, but the individual
DDs.
By saying that you don't want debian to be fair, you mean it is
acceptable, that you, Wouter, are unfair to your fellow DD.
> is out to provide a Free Operating system. If social conflicts get in
> the way of that goal, it's not unreasonable to remove the person who
> seems to be involved in many of those conflicts -- whether or not that
> person is the cause of those conflicts.
The end justifies the mean. This was indeed the discourse Christian
Perrier held to me at Solution Linux Paris by end of january.
The problem is that such a behaviour will hurt the project worse in the
long run.
> If you're out to improve the world and get it rid of all social
> unfairnesses, I suggest you find yourself another project.
>
> > Instead of lusting after such hard-and-heavy rulings, which almost
> > never happen in volunteer projects, we must try to find practical
> > solutions.
>
> In this case, I think the most practical solution is what's being done,
> even if I agree that it's not totally fair to Sven.
If the Debian project where to publicly claim that it has behaved
unfairly to me, would commend me for the efforts of conciliation i have
made, and clearly state that the other party did not even make any
effort at conciliation, then i guess things will be different.
In this case though, the only way for Debian to still expulse me, is to
do as the DAMs have done, and then collect the most damaging and hurting
email snipplets they could find, without caring of their trueness or
not, and use that to give themselves and debian a good concience.
So, if i really have to go because frans and a few others are egoist
bastards who cannot be happy coding if i am not destroyed in the worse
possible way, well, why not, but say this publicly, and don't add
hypocicy to unfairness.
But this is not how i saw debian, and i bet you that most other DDs also
will not recognize themselves in this debian you are constructing, and i
will remind this to you if you present yourself as DPL next year.
Saddened,
Sven Luther
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