Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 06:45:05PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >> Sven Luther wrote: >>> Hi list masters and DPL, >> Hi Sven >> >>> Since it seems Frans is not able to leave ad-hominem attacks out of this >>> discussion, and given the precedent of my ban from -release on similar issues, >>> i now officially ask for Frans Pop to be banned from debian-vote, until such a >>> time as he is able to discuss issues, without being able to resort to >>> ad-hominem and defaming attacks like he has done here, even if in a slightly >>> disguised form. >>> >>> Mails like his don't help the issue to be solved, bring absolutely nothing, >>> and are borderline insulting, and nobody want to go into another repeat of >>> what happened last spring. >> Communication is always between two or more ends... > > Maybe, but then i don't see what such conversation brings if one party is > acting in evident bad faith, and whose whole purpose is to hurt me and > continnue making me the scapegoat in order to make my opinion count less. Please, stop this whining it doesn't bring you anything. I don't believe Frans is acting in bad faith, though he might still not trust you or even like you, but that's something totally different... >> As Frans is not interested in participating in the discussion anymore, I don't >> see what a ban would bring if it would be justified to ban him in the first >> place... > > He says that, but he will again try to attack me in such a way, he has been > doing so repeteadly over these last month, altough always in insidious and > hidden ways. I don't believe he will try to attack you, though he might be cautious and you may be felt as attacked because of that... >> The reason why you were banned from debian-release was mostly because of >> turning it in a discussion list which it is not intended for. The tone of the > > Because Frans ad-hominem attacked me in the first place (dismissing my opinion > in the subject of module .udebs, and accusing me of having an hidden agenda). > But then nobody saw anything wrong in that. Most people just want to work together, not reply to whining... Your accusations might be correct, though it doesn't bring you or the project anything if you keep repeating them... >> messages was something that made it clear that you were not going to stop >> sending such mails to the list... > > And the tone of Frans message makes it clear that he will not stop sending > such mails to the list, maybe not in the immediate future I wouldn't count on that, people differ quite a bit... >> PS: Sending Cc's to debian-release in the middle of a discussion is not very >> clever when you just get unbanned... > > How was i to know i was unbanned ? > > Also, you have to be aware that Andreas Barth complained i didn't send > information to the debian-release list concerning the new proposals, so what > am i to do ? Andreas Barth asking you to send something to debian-release could be seen at least as a sign of being unbanned... You could send a notice about the proposals and maybe asking to join the discussion on debian-vote, but certainly not sending a Cc to debian-release in the middle of a discussion. Cheers Luk -- Luk Claes - http://people.debian.org/~luk - GPG key 1024D/9B7C328D Fingerprint: D5AF 25FB 316B 53BB 08E7 F999 E544 DE07 9B7C 328D
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