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Re: Asking for the ban of Frans Pop from debian-vote ... (Was: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware)

On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 06:45:05PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > Hi list masters and DPL,
> Hi Sven
> > Since it seems Frans is not able to leave ad-hominem attacks out of this
> > discussion, and given the precedent of my ban from -release on similar issues,
> > i now officially ask for Frans Pop to be banned from debian-vote, until such a
> > time as he is able to discuss issues, without being able to resort to
> > ad-hominem and defaming attacks like he has done here, even if in a slightly
> > disguised form.
> > 
> > Mails like his don't help the issue to be solved, bring absolutely nothing,
> > and are borderline insulting, and nobody want to go into another repeat of
> > what happened last spring.
> Communication is always between two or more ends...

Maybe, but then i don't see what such conversation brings if one party is
acting in evident bad faith, and whose whole purpose is to hurt me and
continnue making me the scapegoat in order to make my opinion count less.

> As Frans is not interested in participating in the discussion anymore, I don't
> see what a ban would bring if it would be justified to ban him in the first
> place...

He says that, but he will again try to attack me in such a way, he has been
doing so repeteadly over these last month, altough always in insidious and
hidden ways.

> The reason why you were banned from debian-release was mostly because of
> turning it in a discussion list which it is not intended for. The tone of the

Because Frans ad-hominem attacked me in the first place (dismissing my opinion
in the subject of module .udebs, and accusing me of having an hidden agenda).
But then nobody saw anything wrong in that.

> messages was something that made it clear that you were not going to stop
> sending such mails to the list...

And the tone of Frans message makes it clear that he will not stop sending
such mails to the list, maybe not in the immediate future

> PS: Sending Cc's to debian-release in the middle of a discussion is not very
> clever when you just get unbanned...

How was i to know i was unbanned ? 

Also, you have to be aware that Andreas Barth complained i didn't send
information to the debian-release list concerning the new proposals, so what
am i to do ? 


Sven Luther

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