Re: non-free and users?
Remi Vanicat wrote:
Distributing non-free often lead to the described situation which
contradicts ethics. This situation contradicts ethics regardless of
the solution which I propose. You probably can find better solution,
but I do not see it.
But it doesn't change the fact that you can't give him
a modified version of the package.
Yes, you are right. I can't give him modified version of non-free
Yes, but the fact it is or not into debian does not change this, so
the fact to put this package into debian is non-ethical only in what
look like an "hypocritical" way (for lack of a better word) : it look
like it is more ethical because the package is not into debian and you
are not related with it, but it doesn't change a thing for the end
user, so there are no better nor good created by this.
I'm not sure what is more worse and better in this two ways of acting.
It seems to me that even just dropping is better, but it is hard to
prove, as well as opposite.
But dropping with redirecting efforts and resources to other ethical
actions, like support, fixing bugs, packaging and developing free
software, will not reduce amount of good which can be produced by
Debian, it will increase it. It will decrease the amount of unethical
Thirdly, not all non-free enter in your example.
Yes, you are right. Please, let's limit ourselves with one example at
a time. It is difficult to create an example which will cover all
possible cases and licenses.
I do believe that there are package in non free where you can't find
an example of situation when this package compel you to non-ethical
action. And this one of the very important reason why I'm against
removing non-free, So I can't forget this for now in the discussion.
I agree with you completely. There can be such a packages. I do not
propose to forget about it, but just to delay its discussion, till we
finish this one.
Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov