Re: Non-Free Warning at Package Install -- Was: Alternate proposal
Hi,
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
>> Oh? What rant? I was not clear enough? There are people around
>> proposing that every non-free package, while being installed, should
>> shout that it is non-free. I remarked that vrms would fit well there,
>> and can be made as obnoxious as people want.
Branden> I don't see how making a straw man out of the vrms package
Branden> really furthers calm discussion on the subject.
I was not making a straw man out of the package. That was a
serius suggestion.
>> Read the thread. He asked for more than that, but was
>> negotiated down to vrms.
Branden> Well, if he's been "negotiated down" to something, why keep
Branden> arguing against a position he's apparently abandoned?
Because other people have not yet been convinced.
>> Have you actually read this thread, and the others on related
>> issues in this mailing list? There have been various and sundry
>> proposals for all kinds of suppression and even removal of non-free
>> packages and information leading thereof all over the place. I saw
>> this suggestion, and immediately saw the potential. Do I really have
>> to spell things out in words of one syllable?
Branden> "Immediately saw the potential" sounds dangerously close to a
Branden> slippery-slope argument to me.
Huh?
Branden> But I could be wrong. In any case, wouldn't it make more
Branden> sense to address the actual content of Craig's message
Branden> instead of whatever hidden agenda you think he may have?
Hidden agenda? And, anyway, the question at hand had been
answered. I just felt that the answer would also be a solution to
other problems we see here.
What is wrong with that?
Branden> If the latter, I think you should come out and say that you
Branden> think Craig is being disingenuous.
I think you are the one seeing hidden agendas all over the
place.Mine was a simple Eureka! merssage, which you choose to cast
into all kinds of strange guises (first a rant, and now some kind os
answer to some one elses alleged hidden agendas. Let me guess -- You
are an X files fan?)
Branden> How does this follow from Joey's informational remark?
>>
>> *Sigh*. It is called association. One makes associations, and
>> corelations, based on data input. This seemed such a logical solution
>> to all the people who want non-free software installation to be rude
>> an obnoxious -- we can make the package configurably obnoxious, and
>> let people choose the setting
Branden> My interpretation is that presenting vrms as potentially
Branden> modifiable to support customizable extreme obnoxious is just
Branden> as effort to paint those opposed to your position in an
Branden> unfavorable light.
Oh, Jeez.
Branden> You've made it clear that you'd be unhappy with any change
Branden> in the way the non-free section of the archive is handled,
Branden> but I do not feel that dressing up the vrms package to spout
Branden> extremist rhetoric and then suggesting it as a solution that
Branden> is prefectly reasonable to your ideological opponents is a
Branden> responsible debate tactic.
It is not a debate tactic. Some people are obviously upset at
having non-free software on their system. I understand perfectly. The
package can be an ideal comapnion to these folks. One can make the
packages output modifiable,, and people can make the package as
strict a guardian of the purity of their machine as they desire.
I think you are getting quite paranoid, and over reacting to a
generally helpful message. Doubtless, you shall cast even this
rejoinder as some kind of uber-debating tactic.
I find it funny that you are protesting debating tatics, while
willfully tarring my voews are irresponsible tactics, rather than
restricting yourself to the content of my message. I guess you want
the rest of us to do as you say, not as you actally do, eh?
manoj
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