Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 11/23/2014 2:20 PM, seeker5528 wrote:
>
> On 11/23/2014 9:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people
>> who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian
>> users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things
>> don't work as expected.
>
> That's how it works with every major OS release, and some minor ones
> too. Often with other software too. Once in a while I still run into
> someone who buys a new computer and is surprised there is no place to
> plug in their parallel printer.
>
The change in init systems is the biggest change for users in the last
10 years or more. It will affect many more users than any previous
upgrade I've seen in Debian in that time.
> This is what release notes are for, highlighting changes and known issues.
> In some cases not working as expected is a bug, in others it's by design.
>
Which does not change the fact that it will affect many people.
> The situation with Windows XP is evidence enough that many people are
> willing to spend excessive amounts of money keeping systems alive that
> are well past their DNR date to stick with something they know.
>
If I wanted Windows XP, I would be running Windows XP. The same with my
customers.
>> Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and
>> manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the
>> problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do
>> so. Jerry
>
> For non technical people it is always good to recommend waiting a bit
> before upgrading to something new, I would normally say 2-3 months to
> let additional issues get uncovered, work a rounds to be found, fixes to
> be released ,etc...
>
We're not talking non-technical people here. We are talking companies
with IT departments managing multiple servers and desktops. We are
talking small companies who contract their IT services. We are talking
individual users running their own servers and desktops.
But even for them, waiting 2-3 months is NOT going to fix their
problems. Neither is waiting 2-3 years, because the problem is
incompatibility with previous Debian releases.
> With the amount of time between new Debian releases there is some time
> to sort things out in point releases and make some decisions on how
> things are to be for the next major release.
>
> Later, Seeker
>
>
Which takes time, talent and money. Many are short of one or more. I'm
already being asked what I recommend for another distro. I can't answer
that because I don't know where I'm going myself, yet.
Jerry
Reply to: