Jochen Schulz wrote:
Dirk:Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed Debian without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem (pick one from this list: http://www.google.com/search?q=HAL+problem+linux).Previously, you said not only HAL itself is the problem, but the *idea* behind it. I have no reason to doubt that HAL isn't necessarily the best implementation of the idea but that doesn't mean the whole idea is bad.So I turn here and ask how to solve the problem. The answers will very likely force(!) me(!)Nobody forces you to do anything. You can compile patch X.org yourself, run oldstable, switch to another distribution or throw your computer out of the window. Or you could just accept HAL and go on with your life.
You suggest that everyone compiles X11 him-/herself now?To downgrade or to even switch whole distributions because of a single stubborn package maintainer?
How about that package maintainer just turns a dependency back into a recommendation to make /everyone/ happy? (Did I suggest that before?)
to learn to understand how to alter the HAL configuration while it should be possible not to install HAL in the first place if it wasn't made a needlessly requirement(!) for running a Debian desktop.Previously, it was required to know how to edit xorg.conf and how to change (e.g.) the keyboard layout for virtual terminals. Now you don't need that anymore, but you are required to configure system wide defaults for both the console and X. I fail to see how the situation has become worse.
"Now you don't need that anymore" ...because you're /forced/ to install HAL.
Is that enough of an answer or is there any HAL fanboy left who want's to battle choice?Actually, I couldn't care less about HAL. I am just asking myself whether the X.org devs battle choice or whether you are battling progress. J.
I don't care of the "progress" that comes with HAL. Because I don't want to be forced to install it. I DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO INSTALL HAL because Linux works fine without a 2nd "Hardware Abstraction Layer".
Dirk