Re: X11 without HAL: "DontZap" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't work anymore
> HAL is not "technology moving forward".
>
> It is a project dedicated to taking away the right to do what you want.
I'm sorry, your argument is "HAL hates freedom?" Seriously? You
believe there is an entire team of malicious devs who've devoted their
weekends to oppressing your choice of mouse buttons?
> And the persistance of not understanding this that I face here is just sad.
> You people don't seem to know what door you leave open here and how it could
> affect the future and usability of Linux in a negative way.
All right, I'll bite. How specifically could it affect the future and
usability of Linux in a negative way? What disasters might happen,
what door are we leaving open here? What does HAL do that you don't
like?
You can't be too upset with us for not understanding that when you've
made very little effort to explain it (beyond "I might have to learn
how to fix it").
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Dirk<noisyb@gmx.net> wrote:
> Dirk wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Soules wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is that enough of an answer or is there any HAL fanboy left who want's
>>>> to
>>>> battle choice?
>>>
>>> I'm not a HAL fanboy. In fact, I couldn't care less. From the
>>> descriptions, it sounds like HAL (like every other piece of software
>>> ever written) solves some problems while potentially creating others.
>>> Such is life.
>>>
>>> But your argument against HAL is:
>>>
>>>> Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed
>>>> Debian
>>>> without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem
>>>> [...snip...]
>>>> The answers will very likely force(!) me(!) to learn to understand how
>>>> to
>>>> alter the HAL configuration
>>>
>>> Or basically:
>>>
>>> "What if I have to use HAL, and then what if HAL breaks? I might have
>>> to learn how to fix it!"
>>>
>>> ...so?
>>> Technology moves forward. You do have a choice; I mean, if you liked
>>> you could even just run XFree86 on a Potato box, or something. But
>>> did you start using Debian because you dislike learning new things?
>>> It's unpleasant to have your old tools taken away, but surely you have
>>> more concrete objections than what you've voiced so far?
>>> I'd love to agree with you. I don't have a dog in this fight; I'm
>>> ready to be convinced. But I'm afraid that right now you're coming
>>> across as yelling at HAL to get off your lawn, and that's probably not
>>> the strongest case you could make.
>>>
>
> HAL is not "technology moving forward".
>
> It is a project dedicated to taking away the right to do what you want.
>
> And the persistance of not understanding this that I face here is just sad.
> You people don't seem to know what door you leave open here and how it could
> affect the future and usability of Linux in a negative way.
>
> Isn't one trainwreck of an operating system enough? Do we really need to
> turn Linux into another trainwreck at all costs to attract more users from
> trainwreck #1?
>
>
> Dirk
>
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