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Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]



On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:16:29 -0500
Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:

> On 07/14/08 22:41, Brian Marshall wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:43:38 -0500
> > Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 07/14/08 21:04, Brian Marshall wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500
> >>> Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time,
> >>>> keep your data and your apps on your local machine.
> >>> So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email
> >>> service with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space?
> >>>
> >>> The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up
> >>> everything for email on a local server
> >> Why not?  Unless I am misunderstanding you, it's perfectly
> >> possible. Here's a link to an emal from just last week about
> >> someone doing that:
> >> http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3509138-imap-is-teh-r0x0rz.html
> > 
> > Maybe I am just misunderstanding you or the ramifications, but I
> > only have a residential ISP package with a dynamic IP and the only
> > domain pointing towards it is free from DynDNS. I don't find myself
> > in the situation to run a complete mail package like what Gmail and
> > others provide.
> 
> I'm certain that you *are* running a "complete mail package" and
> don't even know it!  :O
> 
> Just about all Unix systems use the same MTA[0] to transfer intra-
> system mail as they do to transfer mail across the world.  Exim is
> the Debian default, but many replace it with Postfix.
> 
> Most people must configure their MUA to send email to
> smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net.  But with
> Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to
> be a relayhost[1].
> 
> The way I've configured my system.  Thus, in Icedove, I don't set
> the smtp server to be smtp.east.cox.net but "haggis", which is my
> machine's name.  The MTA (Postfix, in my case) then routes the email
> to smtp.east.cox.net which then takes it and sends it on to it's
> final destination.
> 
> Conversely, fetchmail retrieves my mail from pop.east.cox.net then
> passes it to Postfix (which feeds it thru Spam Assassin) and then to
> an IMAP server running on my desktop.  That's where I (and my wife
> and children) read our email from, anywhere on our LAN.
> 
> [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_transfer_agent
> [1]http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relayhost

Thanks, that was very informative. I had an understanding of MTAs but
not how they interacted with other POP and SMTP servers. After reading
your message, I think it's finally coming together now. :P

Would this also be possible using Gmail's servers? As I see it, using
your ISP's email address would be a pain if you ever had to change ISPs.

-- 
Brian

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