Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
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On 02/26/07 01:04, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:40:25PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> I don't get the question. God decides what is and is not his word.
>>> Lots of people have claimed to write in the name of God.
>> Ah, but that's the rub, who's deciding what is the real article and what
>> isn't? God's not chiming in. You do realize that exactly which gospels that
>> would go on to comprise the modern Bible were hotly debated centuries after
>> the supposed events took place. Debated by men, not God. There are many more
>> which are not included. So, why are you not asking what is in those Gospels
>> and why men, not God, decided they should not be distributed in the definitive
>> collection of Jesus' life?
>>
> You do realize that the ones that ended up in the Bible were the ones
> which were essentially universally agreed up upon, correct? Yes there
> was debate. There were people who wanted to subvert the process. There
> were people who were misguided.
>
> However, since I have faith that God was able to create the entire
> universe by speaking it into existence, I also have faith that He was
> able to preserve His Word.
And I have faith that humans, either thru greed for power or just
plain dumbness, would have corrupted it.
For example: why are there 4 canon Gospels and not 3 or 5? Not
because of deep and consistent prayer by the Church Fathers. No.
It's because some French guy convinced everyone that there should be
4 because "there are four zones of the world in which we live, and
four principal winds" (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.11.8)
And then, of course, The Church went on an 1800 year love-fest with
Aristotle, which *really* screwed things up.
[snip]
> I do believe the Bible. Of course, you persist in taking things out of
> context. Jesus was illustrating that to get into heaven you had to be
> more righteous than the most righteous people living at the time and
> that to do that, you had to follow every last bit of the law and never
> stray from it. Of course, that was not humanly possible. He was
> explaining the need for humanity to depend on him for salvation.
>
> You can keep ignoring the explanation all you want, but that won't
> change it.
Steve doesn't *want* to understand.
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