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no xserver

I installed woody for the first time yetserday on a frankenstein box I
made outta spare parts (It has run redhat).
I had several issues, starts and restarts, but I finally got through
the entire install and rebooted...and the xserver wouldn't start...
This is a bit frustrating, I must say.  It certainly doesn;t take me all weekend to install Red Hat.  Of course, I know that Debian is not trying to make money, just
build great FREE software, and I respect that.
I have an old monitor that someon was throwing away (can't handle more than 800x600 at 60, and 256 colors, even).  The video is onboard the mobo, an MSI G11-CB00056
Any ideas?
As exasperating as your install is, I totally dig the true spirit of freedom and community that Debian appears to embody.
For reference, I have only about 10 months experience using Linux all together.  I have installed and used several RedHats (7.0-8.0), Corel(debian based, right? but has a graphical install that is much easier to follow), Blue Linux, and Lycoris.
Further, I am an English teacher, not a computer scientist (trying to learn).
Any assistance appreciated.  Maybe I saw you at freenode irc #debian (I am tony, photodharma or zenteach).


tony

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debian-user-digest Digest				Volume 2003 : Issue 191

Today's Topics:
  Re: Mouse / X problems UPDATE         [ Chris Owen <Chris.Owen@iname.com> ]
  Re: How do I do this in bash ??       [ Johannes Zarl <johannes.zarl@ahl.un ]
  Re: How do I do this in bash ??       [ Michael Heironimus <mkh01@earthlink ]
  Re: Doing a mass downgrade            [ Antonio Rodriguez <arodriguez31@cfl ]
  Re: Can't start X with Nvidia         [ ajlewis2@intac.com ]
  Re: WAS: Curious...Are most of you i  [ Alaa The Great <alaa@linux-egypt.or ]
  Re: WAS: Curious...Are most of you i  [ Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ]
  Re: WAS: Curious...Are most of you i  [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ]
  Unidentified subject!                 [ =?iso-8859-1?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric=20Poule ]
  Re: WAS: Curious...Are most of you i  [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
  Re: problem with tv card              [ Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ]
  Re: gnome2 in sid                     [ Robin Putters <rputters@hotpop.com> ]
  debian-newbe problems w. ssh & .prof  [ Oliver <oliver@lafco.de> ]
  Re: debian-newbe problems w. ssh & .  [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ]
  Re: dependency problems               [ Derrick 'dman' Hudson <dman@dman.dd ]
  Pump and Kernel-2.4.20?               [ "Thomas H. George,,," <georgeacct@s ]
  Re: Unidentified subject!             [ Craig Genner <craig@gennerfam.frees ]
  Re: WAS: Curious...Are most of you i  [ Alaa The Great <alaa@linux-egypt.or ]
  Re: debian-newbe problems w. ssh & .  [ "B." <BruderB@gmx.de> ]

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Hey, thanks Kent that's great.
(I have been following the list, honest! Guess I missed that post though...) 
:-)

Chris


Kent West wrote:


Chris Owen wrote:
I have now found a solution for this mouse problem in X: it seems gpm was the problem. After uninstalling gpm, the PS/2 mouse now works correctly in X. If anyone can tell me why this is, or whether there's a workaround which lets me keep gpm, that would be interesting (although to be honest I'm not that bothered about needing gpm...). 

Thanks
Chris




From a posting earlier in the day (subj: MOUSE won't function):
gpm is a mouse driver for the text-only virtual console. For example, if you are not running X, and you only have text-only virtual consoles (hereafter referred to as VTs, for Virtual Terminals), and you need a mouse in your VTs, then you'd need to be running gpm. Or even if you are running X, but you occasionally need to pop out to a VT and need a mouse while there, you'd need gpm running.
Now, if you have X running, X needs a mouse. It has its own mouse driver built-in. This mouse driver conflicts with gpm, and having gpm running as well as X can cause the mouse to behave erratically, etc. For example, the mouse might generate some events, such as "I've moved left", followed by "I've moved up". If both gpm and the X mouse driver are reading the mouse port, it may be that gpm reads the "left" event, removing that event from the incoming data stream, and then it comes X's turn to read the mouse events, and it reads "up", never getting a chance to read the "left" event because gpm "took" it. So the mouse behaviour in X was supposed to be left, then up, but turns out to be only up. Doh!
Thankfully, these two mouse drivers can be convinced to play nicely together. The way this is done is to tell gpm to not keep the incoming data to itself, but to repeat that incoming data, in a "raw" format. Both gpm and X normally read from the "incoming mouse data port" (whatever that is, perhaps /dev/psaux, perhaps /dev/ttyS0, etc). gpm can't repeat the data it reads back to that port, or next time it goes to read that port it'll just re-read what it read earlier, and loopity-loop. So instead it repeats the data to a special "virtual" port, called /dev/gpmdata. Then X needs to be configured to read its incoming mouse data, not from the normal port, but from the /dev/gpmdata "port". Voila! gpm and X now get along just dandy. 

So, you have two options.

1) Remove gpm, and just get the mouse working in X
2) Configure gpm to repeat the raw data (run gpmconfig and answer the questions), and configure X to read its mouse data from /dev/gpmdata.

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> #! /bin/sh
>
> # Backup entire 'myfiles/' directory, name it with the date.
>
> cd /usr/local/
> tar -czf /mnt/archive/autoarchive/date myfiles

man bash(1):
<quote>
Command substitution allows the output of a command to replace the command 
name.  There are two forms:
              $(command)
       or
              `command`
</quote>

So your command goes:
tar -czf /mnt/archive/autoarchive/`date` myfiles

greetings,
  Johannes

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 10:48:43AM +0000, Dave Selby wrote:
> I am writting a weekly automated backup script, very simple .. tars a 
> directory called 'myfiles' to a second hard drive.
> 
> Works AOK except I want the name of the file written by tar to be the time 
> and date. So I get a list of tared dated backups
> 
> I know 'date' gives me exactly what I want but I cant figure out how to get 
> tar to write a file with the value of date as its file name ...
> 
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> 
> # Backup entire 'myfiles/' directory, name it with the date.
> 
> cd /usr/local/
> tar -czf /mnt/archive/autoarchive/date myfiles
> 
> 
> I put this in /etc/cron.weekly and I get a file called date !!???
> I have tried '' and "" all to no avail

What you want is backticks (`date`). Since date's default output isn't
very good as a filename you probably want to specify the output format.
I would use something like this:

tar czf /mnt/archive/autoarchive/`date '+%Y%m%d'`.tar.gz myfiles

which would give you a file named 20030119.tar.gz. The reason I use
year-month-day format is that the alphabetical sorting that ls does by
default will match the chronological order of the files.

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--- Begin Message --- Checking my system, I don't have any /etc/apt/preferences file. What script installs it? It seems to be a regular text file from what I read in this thread. I am planing to downgrade one of my boxes from sid to sarge, this seems to be the way to go, but I don't know the exact configuration of this mentioned "preference" 
?

Dale Hair wrote:


On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 13:04, Lloyd Zusman wrote:

Dale Hair <dale@meridian-electric.com> writes:


On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 12:03, Lloyd Zusman wrote:

Dale Hair <dale@meridian-electric.com> writes:


[ ... ]

Giving testing a priority of 1001 will downgrade to testing.

Thank you.  I just did that.  And now, which `apt-get' or `aptitude'
command(s) should I invoke to perform this downgrade?

[ ... ]

apt-get dist-upgrade

I did this, but nothing happened.  The command session is shown below.
I know that a number of unstable packages had been previously installed.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.


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If your /etc/apt/preferences has

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 1001

and unstable with a priority lower than 1000, then you must not have any
packages from unstable.

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In linux.debian.user, you wrote:
> 
> When I modprobe NVdriver, I get the following message:
> 
>   Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver will
>   taint the kernel: non-GPL license - NVIDIA
>     See http://www.tux.org/lkml/#export-tainted for information about
>     tainted modules
>     nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVdriver Kernel Module  1.0-3123  Tue
>     Aug 27 15:56:48 PDT 2002
>     Module NVdriver loaded, with warnings

<snip> 
>   Section "Device"
>     Identifier	"Nvidia"
>     Driver		"nvidia"
>     VideoRam	32768
>   EndSection

<snip>

I apologize for the earlier post to the newsgroup that was just a copy of
the original post.  Hit the wrong button. This one is going to the list and
will make its way to the newsgroup too. 

My module is called nvidia and not NVdriver.  I think the problem is that
you are loading a module called NVdriver and you have nvidia listed as the
driver in the X config file.  Maybe try changing the Driver in X to NVdriver
to see if that works.  Or I guess you could put an alias in so that nvidia
would be the same as NVdriver.

Anita

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:18:35 +0000
Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 10:47:18AM +0200, Alaa The Great wrote:
> > the RPM format itself seems to have all the features of deb,
> 
> It has most of them, although it's missing one or two. I'm reliably
> (I think) informed that it doesn't have diversions, for instance.

diversion info is stored in the deb package??

cheers,
Alaa
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On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 05:00, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 03:44:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > In other words, KDE is like Windows, because KDE is imitating 
> > Windows, and not vice versa.
> 
> No, KDE is like CDE, not like Windows if we're going to make an
> accurate comparison.

I always wondered if there was a linkage there.
However, if at one time it was like CDE, it's not anymore.  It looks
a *lot* like Windows to me...

> Windows is fairly unique in it's lossage.

What do you mean "lossage" in this context?  Loss of stability,
coherence (there's a huge API cruft under there), or something
else?

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 01:37:30PM +0200, Alaa The Great wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:18:35 +0000
> Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 10:47:18AM +0200, Alaa The Great wrote:
> > > the RPM format itself seems to have all the features of deb,
> > 
> > It has most of them, although it's missing one or two. I'm reliably
> > (I think) informed that it doesn't have diversions, for instance.
> 
> diversion info is stored in the deb package??

No (unless you count the maintainer scripts), but diversions require
support from the package manager. There's no point diverting a file off
somewhere else if the package manager is just going to stomp on it at
the next upgrade.

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Yi,

I would like install the last version of debian under promise PDC20276 but i can't do it !!
I need help !

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:40:32AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > No, KDE is like CDE, not like Windows if we're going to make an
> > accurate comparison.
> 
> I always wondered if there was a linkage there.
> However, if at one time it was like CDE, it's not anymore.  It looks
> a *lot* like Windows to me...

Well, so does CDE in that case.
http://www.plig.org/xwinman/screenshots/dtwm.gif

Note the striking resemblence between the panel in KDE and CDE.  Note
the clearly MS-ish title and window bars.  kwin looks like afterstep
trying to be Explorer to me.

> > Windows is fairly unique in it's lossage.
> 
> What do you mean "lossage" in this context?  Loss of stability,
> coherence (there's a huge API cruft under there), or something
> else?

Yes.

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On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 06:18, Pigeon wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 09:44:27AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> > On 8 Jan 2003, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > > You have a PC dedicated to displaying TV????
> > 
> > Actually, a lot of people do.
> > 
> > They're called TiVo's and ReplayTv's and Dishplayers and stuff like that
> > 
> > :)
> 
> That's nothing. I have a 600MHz/128Mb PC, dedicated to
> running a DOS program that copies everything it receives on COM2 to
> COM3, and vice versa.

Umm, couldn't you pull a 286 out of the trash to do that, and use
the 600MHz PC for something a bit more worthy of all those MIPS?

Don't know how big your DOS program is, but I'd be *shocked* if
it wouldn't fit on a single floppy.  Would then not need a HDD, 
CD-ROM drive, etc, etc...

Is that PC running DOS inside a Linux dosemu window, or standalone
DOS?

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On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 12:01, Clemens Resanka wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can't get gnome2 to work in sid.
> 
> I say
>  aptitude update
>  aptitude install gnome
> 
> aptitude complains about missing libgnomeprint2-0 and
> libgnomeprintui-0.
> Unfortunately these packages do not exist!
> 

This is probably due to the migration to Gnome2.2.
Try this: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/
Or wait a couple of days.

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Hi folks,
I just installed debian, and that´s why I installed debian, makes me trouble now;) !
I have to setup ssh, to use it with the windows TTSSH client. This only understands ssh < 1.5, so I decided to use protocol 1. Also I have an old server, which also understands 
P1.
I changed Protocol (etc/ssh/sshd_config) to 1,2 and restarted sshd.
I got the message ...: sshd Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key
Disabling protocol version1
Ok, lets make a key 'ssh-keygen' but now the problem starts.
It just shows me a lot of options :-X
Could anybody point me how to make a protocol 1 key ?


I´d like to set up '.profile' to have some commands be aliased.
so I made a .profile in the /root directory. But it will not be read, or
maybe not interpreted correct when I log in as root.
BTW I would like to have a .profile for every user on the system.
Can one also point me in the right direction ?

Thanks In advance
Oliver

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 01:50:52PM +0100, Oliver wrote:
> I have to setup ssh, to use it with the windows TTSSH client. This only 
> understands
> ssh < 1.5, so I decided to use protocol 1. Also I have an old server, which 
> also understands
> P1.
> I changed Protocol (etc/ssh/sshd_config) to 1,2 and restarted sshd.
> I got the message ...: sshd Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key
> Disabling protocol version1
> Ok, lets make a key 'ssh-keygen' but now the problem starts.
> It just shows me a lot of options :-X
> Could anybody point me how to make a protocol 1 key ?

'ssh-keygen -t rsa1'

Cheers,

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 12:46:11AM +0000, Dave Selby wrote:
| I run debian woody, This same driver works flawlessly on redhat 7.2,
| If I do the following on debian, it actually works but I have persistent 
| dependency issues which I cannot solve ??
| 
| My debian is standard, I have upgraded the kernel to 2.4.19, apart from that 
| everything is standard.
| 
| Any ideas ???

| debian:/usr/local/v92modem/Intel-v92ham-451# make ham
|    Module precompile check
|    Current running kernel is: 2.4.19
|    /lib/modules...   autoconf.h exists
| diff: /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h: No such file or directory
|    autoconf.h matches running kernel
| diff: /boot/vmlinuz.version.h: No such file or directory
|    version.h matches running kernel

Try installing the kernel-headers-2.4.19 package or the
kernel-source-2.4.19 package.  You're clearly missing some files the
source to the driver needs for compilation.

HTH,
-D

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--- Begin Message --- My DSL connection with iface eth0 inet dhcp works fine but every time I reboot the system I have to run pump to set the gateway. Something I read seemed to indicate that pump was needed with kernel-2.2.? but not with kernel-2.4.18.
My system is Woody with kernel-2.4.18 so perhaps there is still something missing in my setup? I would like the gateway set automaticly on rebooting.
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Thanks for telling us you can't install debian 'under promise PDC20276'.
Prehaps you could tell us why you can't (error messages, when it fails etc).
Only then can some one try and help you.
Craig


On Sunday 19 Jan 2003 12:06 pm, Frédéric Poulet wrote:
> Yi,
>
> I would like install the last version of debian under promise PDC20276 but
> i can't do it !! I need help !
>
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:55:49 +0000
Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> wrote:

> 
> No (unless you count the maintainer scripts), but diversions require
> support from the package manager. There's no point diverting a file
> off somewhere else if the package manager is just going to stomp on
> it at the next upgrade.

so its as I said a problem with the tools not the package format.

rpm tools tend to be stupid though, for instance Mandrake RPMs have a
suggests field but none of the rpm tools bother to even read the
field.

cheers,
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Hej Oliver!


I'm a newbie in Debian, too, not in LinuX in general...

At 13:50 19.01.2003 +0100, you wrote:

Hi folks,
I just installed debian, and that´s why I installed debian, makes me trouble now;) !
I have to setup ssh, to use it with the windows TTSSH client. This only understands ssh < 1.5, so I decided to use protocol 1. Also I have an old server, which also understands 
P1.
I changed Protocol (etc/ssh/sshd_config) to 1,2 and restarted sshd.
I got the message ...: sshd Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key
Disabling protocol version1
Ok, lets make a key 'ssh-keygen' but now the problem starts.
It just shows me a lot of options :-X
Could anybody point me how to make a protocol 1 key ?
I run a sshd on my LinuX-DSL-Router. There I simply use makekey to generate a collection of keys! 
It doesnt work on my Debian this way.....




I´d like to set up '.profile' to have some commands be aliased.
so I made a .profile in the /root directory. But it will not be read, or
maybe not interpreted correct when I log in as root.
BTW I would like to have a .profile for every user on the system.
Can one also point me in the right direction ?


Find out which shell you run (typically bash)!
Then edit in every users directory the .bashrc (.<shellname>rc) for inserting aliases! 

Boris




Thanks In advance
Oliver


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