>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Langasek <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: Steve, I'm writing to confirm understanding of our disagreement and to acknowledge the point you made and explain why it is not persuasive to me. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, simply letting you know I've considered what you have to say, and making sure everything is out on the table as we work toward consensus. Steve> If one has made statements outside of Debian demonstrating Steve> that they hold to an ideology that denies the dignity of Steve> other members of the project, unless those statements have Steve> been *recanted*, the existence of those statements has a Steve> chilling effect on working with others within the project Steve> *per se*. It is not enough to ask that someone *pretend* to Steve> respect other members of the project while working within the Steve> project, if their outside behavior shows that they don't Steve> actually respect those other members of the project. Steve, as I expected, this is our disagreement. I hear the issue you are talking about, and broadly agree that would generally be the case. However, excluding someone because of the ideas they have supported is a really huge step, and I think that there is a slippery slope involved. In practice I expect that my preferred outcome would produce the same results as yours. Because in practice, I expect when we asked someone about the extreme ideas they supported outside of Debian, we would generally find they didn't have a good answer for how they would meet our standards within Debian. It only matters if someone comes up with the good enough answer that we'd consider them. To me, taking the step you propose of actually excluding someone because of ideologies they support is a big step. I'd rather not do that if lesser steps like excluding someone because they cannot explain how they would work constructively in uor community work. I guess If someone had an answer to that question, I'd rather listen to that answer and make up my mind (or have whoever is delegated at the time do so). I cannot see such an answer now, but again and again I find that my imagination is insufficient to reality.
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