Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

[Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org>]

Cameron Norman <camerontnorman@gmail.com> writes:
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> wrote:
>> In any case, IMHO a system that's been installed with wheezy, and
>> then upgraded to jessie, should be identical to a system installed with
>> jessie in the first place.
>
> Regardless of whether I agree or not, I do not think a good way to do
> this is through random dependencies of DE's or network manager.

They are not random, unless you mean random as in [1].

  [1] <http://xkcd.com/221/>

>> Thus, unless the user explicitly tells the apt{-get,itude} subsystem not
>> to switch to systemd (by whatever means, the details of which I personally
>> am not at all interested in), a dist-upgrade should do so.
>
> Currently, this is impossible, since systemd-shim DNE on Wheezy.

Nothing prevents you from a, installing systemd-shim from Jessie before
running apt-get dist-upgrade or b, using "apt-get dist-upgrade upstart".

I'm fairly sure I saw this question also answered on -user@ once or
twice times (which is also the appropriate list to ask such questions).

Ansgar