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Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing



On Friday, 5 de September de 2014 02:37:18 Cameron Norman escribió:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:57:16PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, envite <envite@rolamasao.org> wrote:
> >> > Does this Cinnamon for Debian include systemd ?
> >> 
> >> Yes, for Linux it includes systemd.  For kFreeBSD it should be able to
> >> work without systemd, but some packages haven't compiled yet due to
> >> missing dependencies.
> > 
> > If Cinnamon can work without systemd, why is it a hard dependency?
> 
> TL;DR `sudo apt-get install systemd-shim`
> 
> You are mistaken, it is not. What I suspect happened is that something
> depended on logind (libpam-systemd) and libpam-systemd depends on
> "systemd-sysv | systemd-shim". This means that systems will have their
> init system switched even if unneeded unless they predict the issue or
> track down the dependency tree, then learn they have to install
> systemd-shim (which does not exist on Wheezy, so you will have to
> install systemd-sysv then another init after the upgrade). This bug
> has been reported and marked as WONTFIX for reasons that have not been
> fully explained (it is claimed people with init=/lib/systemd/systemd
> in their kcmdline will experience breakage due to systemd-shim
> conflicting with systemd-sysv, however this is actually not likely at
> all according to the shim maintainer).
> 
> Best,
> --
> Cameron Norman

So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise (for the user) path.

Should not logind depend on systemd-shim | systemd-sysv instead?

Regards

Noel
er Envite

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