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Re: Integrate Knoppix in Debian (was: Re: Debian Enterprise?)

On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 16:47, Tom wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 04:31:28PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > For a new user - !!in fact just about -any- user!! - navigating
> > thousands of packages in dselect could consume days. At some point I
> > stopped and went "ok, I'll just assume there's way more interesting
> > programs here than I'll ever have time for in one lifetime, time to
> > unselect everything I've selected over the last 6 hours, and install as
> > I need/ discover something immediately useful at the time".
> I expect I'll eat these words, but I don't find the # of packages so 
> vast.  My stategy is to basically never browse libs or libs-devel -- 
> they're just noise.  I apt-get build-depends things like konqueror, 
> mozilla, and gnome-terminal, and most of things come on it.

That fact that you know not to (and have even _heard_ of build-depends)
is more than Aunt Tilly migrating from MSWindows will know.

And for those of us who consider ourselves at least capable of knowing
if we have an interest in a package, given its description, it simply
takes many many hours to delve through the archive - and to do even more
justice to understanding what's there, what's really going on, takes

My point being, such users (as I personally experience) take a deep
breath and go "let's check all of what's in Debian", and get inundated.
It is simply too big to do in a day.

So dselect (and even what little I've used of aptitude) are used out of
necessity. (Perhaps modern guis are a bit better, I don't know though,
as I gave up on these "simplifying" tools a couple of years ago and
returned to the relatively sparse and clean interface of the command

This works for me because I know I want vim, emacs, mozilla-firebird,
mutt and evolution (and etc) and on any new box, can grad them in the
time it takes to type in the command.

> The rest of doesn't take *too* long to browse.

Well, I'm sure there are different experiences of Debian - yours was
obviously different to mine.


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