On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:57:51PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | An NM can do little more if he sees a problem in the Debian way of > | doing things. > > You can't change a system from the outside. Actually that's not true. The mere observation of a system will change it. Jamie, by just stating what's wrong with the system, is changing the system, otherwise this discussion wouldn't be taking place. -m.