This will hopefully be my last e-Mail to this mailing-list. I want talk about the reasons here exactly, but some people may have an idea about them. And by the way, I don't really need a extra copy of a mail send to this list, because I read it. On 08/10/01, neuffer@sciobyte.de wrote: > Quoting Christian Kurz (shorty@debian.org): > > > > I'm against calling an informal agreement made on debian-devel a > > > > consensus. > > > Sounds you are changing the definition of consensus then. > > No, but I don't think that you can call an informal agreement by about > > 10-20 people discussing something on debian-devel a consensus for > > Debian. Especially since we have a lot more developers and a consensus > > should have been discussed or agreed by at least a quarter of the > > developers. > Sorry, but this is how Debian has operated since the early days. Well, but in the early days, there were not that many developers and especially such high traffic on this list, as it now occurs in discussions. And expecting that everyone has enough time to read all those discussions and participate in the for him interesting ones, is not acceptable. [1] So since the number of debian developers has increased a lot since the early days, debian should respect that and change some of the ways it's been operated on. Insisting on keeping old old behaviour and never making any change won't improve debian or help with improving it. > If we would constantly call for formal votes all day long, no more > productive work would be done. I was not talking about constantly calling for voting, but for important changes like the ddts is introducing into debian. And having 10-20 people creating a consensus for all 700 and more developers is in my opinion not acceptable. Especially since the ddts and the improvements that it will have for our users, effect every debian developer who contributes to this project, to create a good linux distribution. > Everybody had his chance to voice his opinion. But only if he was able to keep up with following the lengthy discussions on debian-devel. Everyone who had not the time for this, hadn't the chance. So there wasn't a fair chance for all developers to voice their opinion about this topic. Christian [1] Not everyone is so fast like Wichert to be able to check so many mailing-list in such a short time for the interesting ones and answer them. -- Debian Developer (http://www.debian.org) 1024/26CC7853 31E6 A8CA 68FC 284F 7D16 63EC A9E6 67FF 26CC 7853
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