Re: A question to the Debian community ...
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:48:45AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 00:05:39 -0700, Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> said:
>
> > What do you expect? Do you tell people that breaking up with their
> > partners is a shitty thing to do? Lots of breakups are unfair. They
> > happen anyway. Some of them come complete with the horrified and
> > offended ex who can't understand why the relationship fell apart and
> > who can't believe how horribly unfair the breakup was, and keeps
> > hanging around, convinced that one day you'll realize just how badly
> > you treated them and then everything will be wonderful again. Often
> > they're wonderfully decent human beings -- after all, that's why the
> > relationship started in the first place. Those are sometimes the ones
> > that make you feel like crap. You still don't get back together, and
> > if you do, it's inevitably a horrible mistake.
>
> While all this is quite true, I don't think that it applies in
> this case: I don't see that the issue was handled unfairly. The only
> unfair thing seems to be that the year long suspension did not come
> with a corresponding ban on the non technical mailing lists.
Naturally, you being on the winning side of it, it can only be fair,
right ? And the fact that many have compared your list behaviour with
mine, but nobody ever inquieted you, has nothing to do with it.
Notice that one can map the starting of the problems involving me,
exactly to the time you started showing interest again in the kernel
team, and that you, jonas where as present in the flamewar of that time
as me.
> > It was a failure of social interaction.
>
> I think that is being far too unspecific. It was disruptive
> behaviour by a single individual, who managed to get into a series of
> off putting, time wasting, irrelevant juvenile spats with a veritable
> who's who of people who are more than casually and peripherally
> involved in Debian, and action was taken to minimize the disruption.
Right, and you yourself, or frans, or others, have absolutely no fault
in what happened ?
> This scores long off topic thread (which, in my official role,
> I do have to monitor) seems proof enough to me that the situation has
> not changed appreciably.
Indeed, the situation has not changed, despite my numerous appeals for
a reasonable fair and just solution on this. I proposed that we held an
in-person meeting at FOSDEM, so we could solve this in a RL fashion, but
nobody was interested, and prefered to relaunch the hostilities in
restarting the ban.
> In the meanwhile, if this is not about an item that we are
> planning to hold a vote on, can we move this thread to some other
> mailing list, where I can safely killfile it?
This will come to a vote, don't worry.
Saddened,
Sven Luther
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