On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:36:50AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-28): > > I never tried, mind you. I've got better things to do with my time than > > wrangling down a Java Monster (TM). > > > > That said, I don't know what your point is (besides whining around a > > bit here): you get the thing as a Debian packaged source. You have > > shown some expertise in this list. Putting those two things together, > > you're in the enviable position to try to run a Debian package build [1]: > > thus you get a wonderful basis to start off. > > > > What's missing? > > What's missing is control, and the trust that comes with it. > > Even assuming that the packaging rules succeed, which is a pretty bold > assumption. [big rant elided) > We cannot prevent these projects from existing, but at least we have to > realise they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. I do understand you [1]. Still, Jitis and BBB seem to be the only free contenders in this space. What do you suggest, then? Zoom? It's the same dilemma we are in with browsers (actually, I think with browsers the situation is even worse, Mozilla being forced to follow every whim Chrome takes, and Chrome being fueled by the ad industry... watch pocket and all those shenanigans). These days people are running in droves for video conferencing software (don't ask me why). Of late, I read of someone in an academic environment trying to set up Jitsi for their virtual lectures. The thing failed at 30 participants, so they ditched it and went to Zoom. Darn. Suggestions? Any ideas? Are you working in an alternative? I'd test it, promised. Cheers [1] I call that "killing free software by complexity". Roughly what Raph Levien called "the decommoditization of protocols" -- tomás
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