On 17/4/19 5:26 pm, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Keith Bainbridge writes:I see the point that people who like gnome should be allowed to use it - so withdraw the drop gnome from debian. I believe the change to the subject line will keep the discussion together. I'll re-send if it opens a new topic.Why should GNOME not stay the default desktop? Because it supports using either of Wayland or X11? To quote your original mail this was one of the two main reasons you proposed GNOME to be dropped after all (besides not being able to move some toolbar): | [...] gnome is insisting that we like a new video process, just | because the team have decided to like it lots. | | I say this is NOT freedom. How is supporting *only* X11 freedom, but supporting *both* Wayland and X11 NOT freedom? Wouldn't it be more logical to drop all desktop environments that support *only* X11 to give more freedom? Ansgar
AnsgarThe snips in my original post were other peoples' quotes. I used them to support my reason to claim that gnome does not allow users who can't write very high level code, at least one option that I consider important. It is this extreme difficulty to do what is simple elsewhere that I am calling out - it is NOT freedom.
If I wanted to try Wayland I'd have to accept the restrictions that come with it. I recall that one live .iso I tried, offered it as an option. That was so long ago that I forget if I get around to trying it - maybe early last year, like Feb, with pre-release ubuntu 18.04. It wouldn't really count anyway, as it was in vbox.
Hence, I relented from my position of removing gnome from debian; I accepted that I was denying those who wanted it, the option.
I felt a twinge when I read that Wayland needs testers; but I run developer versions of office and Firefox and similar Thunderbird as my contribution to testing. I'd answer more questions here, but clearly most users here know more than I do. (perhaps the questions about super key were tongue in cheek?)
I also drew some comfort from people who said end users shouldn't be guinea pigs.
I think that it's ironical that I use a desktop that was gnome just a couple of years ago.
-- Keith Bainbridge ke1th3216@gmail.com +61 (0)447 667 468