On 12/11/2014 at 05:35 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > B. M. wrote: > >> The Wanderer a écrit : >> >>> I understood him as asking why freeze testing with a version >>> which excludes the latest bug fixes, when a newer version which >>> includes them is available. This is not the same as asking why >>> freeze testing with a version which is not the newest version. >>> >>> IOW, if version 2.2.4 of a program is packaged, and upstream >>> releases version 2.3.0 after the freeze, it might be reasonable >>> to stick with 2.2.4 in preparing testing for release - but if >>> upstream releases 2.2.5 as a bugfix release for the 2.2.x line >>> after the freeze (even if upstream has not released 2.3.0 yet), >>> shouldn't 2.2.5 be included in testing, as part of preparing >>> testing for release? >>> >>> I think that's a reasonable sort of question. There might be >>> solid answers to it, reasons why it would be better to stick with >>> 2.2.4 rather than include 2.2.5 in the release, but so far I >>> don't think the thread is providing them. >> >> That's exactly what I was asking for! > > Good! Then you saw that I did answer your question! :-) > > As I said... The reason that KDE 4.14.3 isn't in Jessie is because > when Jessie froze KDE 4.14.2 was the latest available. KDE 4.14.3 > was announced on 2014-Nov-11 several days *after* the freeze on > 2014-Nov-05. That was after the freeze. At the time of the freeze > KDE 4.14.3 *did not exist*. Asking why 4.14.3 isn't in Jessie is > the same question as asking why 4.14.4 isn't in Jessie. Because > 4.14.4 doesn't exist yet. No, it isn't the same question, because 4.14.3 does exist now; it just didn't when the freeze took place. Referring back to the OP, the original question was whether the version currently in testing would be updated prior to the release, and whether it wouldn't make sense to do so - the latter of which is essentially... > This is really an extremely simple case. In order to get a newer > version of KDE into Jessie a) someone would need to package it into > Debian Unstable which I am sure will happen and b) the release team > would need to approve it into Jessie. Unless the release team > approves it Jessie will release with the version that existed at the > time of the freeze. Simple! ...asking why these steps would not happen. (Particularly given that something at least outwardly similar seems to have happened with GNOME, as pointed out in a response by Liam O'Toole.) Possibly the answer is that it (probably) _will_ happen, or possibly the answer is that there are reasons why KDE 4.14.3 is not suitable for a freeze exception even though GNOME 3.14.2 was, or possibly the answer is something else. (I'm not attempting to address that myself.) But a flippant response with a generic "because the freeze means no updates", which is essentially what I interpret you as having said (albeit without as much detail as you gave), does not seem to really address the question as I understand it. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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