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Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:41, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just tried tinyurl with wget and got the same IP address (and 200
>> response) as you. I didn't check the links, though.
> Then? Are you still getting trouble to reach the tinyurl web site? If
> yes, there could be a filter/proxy in between of you and the website,
> that is, your ISP.

I didn't try the links. There is a point when I don't care about being
right or wrong, I made my say and I'll not argue over trivial things
with people who I'd really rather get along with.

>>> That's a different issue. There is nothing that needs to be teached
>>> here because we are talking about "preferences". You don't like tinyurl
>>> and that's okay, no one can blame you for that, but in the same way you
>>> can't also blame others for use it... even less when that person was
>>> willing to help you.
>> No, this is not a matter of preference.
> Sure it is. Nobody can force a user to use one or other method to post
> into this list. You can follow the link or not, that's up to you, but
> blaming someone -that is trying to help you- for using tinyurl (or any
> other of those URL shortening services) is like an overreaction.

I'm not trying to force anyone, nor am I making blame. I am giving
tangible arguments in favour of my position. If someone wishes to
disregard my arguments, even if it is to my detriment and the
detriment of the fine archives, so be it.

>> There is no reason to pipe the links through some third party service
>> that is unreliable and may, either through malice stupidity or hacking,
>> compromise either the user's ability to connect to the site or perform
>> undesirable actions (tracking, advertising, drive-by malware). Could
>> TinyURL never be hacked? Sold? Forget to pay their hosting bill?
>> Hardware failure? Network failure?
> Oh, come on! That argument is very flawed. Should we stop of using Gmail
> e-mail service because of the same? >:-)

Strawman. Gmail or any other email provider is providing an essential
service: at most we could replace Gmail with a different email
provider. That is not a link that can be taken out of the chain.
Tinyurl, though, adds redundant links to the chain and they provide
absolutely no benefit. So why use them? What is the benefit?

> Tinyurl, bit.ly and such have its use (mostly for twitter and sending SMS
> messages that enforce you a policy of limited characters) but using them
> in a mailing list is something is only up to the poster, not me, nor
> you... there is no one point in Debian mailing list netiquette stating
> the opposite.

I don't read the Debian list on Twitter nor via SMS. Do you really
believe that is such a viable use case that the benefits of a shorter
URL outweigh the detriment?

>> What advantage exists at all to use tinyURL?
> It does not have to exist any.

So why use it?

Dotan Cohen


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