Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> If you meet a Christian (I can't speak for other faiths) who thinks he
> or she is in control, then that individual is wrong. The Bible
> explicitly states on numerous occasions that God is ultimately in
> control. Of everything.
But you missed the point, Roberto. A Christian who thinks that *his* god
and not someone else's god (or no god at all) is in control of all things is
asserting his control by proxy. Look at it from the Atheist's point of view,
god doesn't exist, that only leaves the individual standing in front of them
telling them an imaginary being controls all. The Theist is claiming to have
answers, that they are right, absolutely. What part of that is not thinking
they control all?
> Out of curiousity, could you provide evidence of something that
> contradicts anything that is written in the Bible?
I submit the Bible. Google "Bible Contradiction" if you want more than
enough examples. I'll settle for just one.
# The entire tenth chapter (of Genesis) is the first of many boring
genealogies (see 1 Chr.1-9, Mt.1:1-17, Lk.3:23-28 for other examples) that we
are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 and Tit.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and
genealogies.") 10:1-32
> You are also conflating religion and faith. My faith in the Word of God
> tells me that it is true. When the Bible says something, I believe it.
You do? Really? So, how many Sabbath breakers have you killed today?
Answer me honestly. I'm guessing you're so faithful because of Isaiah 40:8,
"The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for
ever." or even Peter and the Psalms where it is repeated "The law of the Lord
is perfect." If so then clearly you follow Exodus 31:15, "For six days, work
is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD.
Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." Today is the
Sabbath, Wal-Mart is open, people are working, lock and load soldier!
I'm guessing that you aren't off killing random Wal-Mart employees so
obviously somewhere you have chosen to disbelieve that tidbit of the Bible.
And no, I'm not going to give you the namby-pamby Jesus excuse. IE, the
old defense that the New Testament trumps the Old Testament and since the NT
is nicer than the OT you're off the hook for not committing mass murder. "For
I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and
the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
- Matthew 5:20.
> Of course, I think it takes lots more "faith" to believe that everything
> we see and can't see is an accident or happy coincidence than it does to
> believe that an omnipotent God created it all.
Really? They you get into the regression problem. If the universe is so
complex that it simply had to be created and your god is so complex we could
never understand him.... surely then he was created? If he, an obviously more
complex construct than the universe he supposedly created just appeared then
why do you feel that people who believe that a far simpler construct, that of
the universe itself, simply was without resorting to intellectual slight of
hand? In both cases we believe something just was, difference is your's is a
lot more fantastical.
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Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do...
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