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On 02/25/07 17:04, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
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>     And no, I'm not going to give you the namby-pamby Jesus excuse.  IE, the
> old defense that the New Testament trumps the Old Testament and since the NT
> is nicer than the OT you're off the hook for not committing mass murder.  "For
> I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and
> the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
> - Matthew 5:20.

Then you don't understand the Christian meaning of "righteousness".

"What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The
foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you
shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your
soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' "The
second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is
no other commandment greater than these." (NAS, Mark 12:28-31)

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so
you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my
disciples, if you love one another." (NIV, John 13:34-35)

>> Of course, I think it takes lots more "faith" to believe that everything
>> we see and can't see is an accident or happy coincidence than it does to
>> believe that an omnipotent God created it all.

Well that's a paradox.

>     Really?  They you get into the regression problem.  If the universe is so
> complex that it simply had to be created and your god is so complex we could
> never understand him.... surely then he was created?  If he, an obviously more
> complex construct than the universe he supposedly created just appeared then
> why do you feel that people who believe that a far simpler construct, that of
> the universe itself, simply was without resorting to intellectual slight of
> hand?  In both cases we believe something just was, difference is your's is a
> lot more fantastical.

1. "God has always been."

2. "All matter/energy Just Appeared."

Which is more fantastical?

Even I, an atheist, think that #2 is more fantastical.


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