Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)
On Aug 14, 10:09, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:55:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
>
> > I just don't understand where you people come from. I've been
> > installing Linux since SLS (ca '93), and I've never thought Debian's
> > installer was anywhere near as bad as some of you people think it is.
> >
> > You seem to want something that you say, "Go!", then you go for a beer
> > and come back to a fully installed, correctly configured system.
That would be nice, that way I could get on with something more
productive, shell/perl scripting, reading up on the docs/protocols for a
new application, teaching the juniors a new set of tasks or educating
user on best practice. Installing a raid enabled server is noddy work,
call me in at the end to harden and tweak it.
> >
> > Well, you're refugees from vendors who promised that BS and never
> > delivered. Doesn't that tell you something? It doesn't happen.
> > Sorry it took you so long to figure that out.
Actually I am a refugee from the building game a chippie by trade, I may
know how to use a hand saw and screwdriver but if I turned up on site
without power tools, I would be told to F' off by the charge hand for
wasting the guvenors time and money.
>
> Check this list's archives. I've been using Debian since Slink. I'm a
> refugee from Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp, if I'm a refugee at all.
>
> While your description is exaggerated, what's wrong with an installer that
> detects the hardware for me, so I don't have to manually set dozens or
> hundreds of things? You seem to be implying that's bad. What's wrong with
> an installer that lets me resize NTFS partitions? What's wrong with an
> installer that fully supports RAID?
Nothing at all it is ego and 'real men hack sendmail.cf by hand'
syndrome. I want the best way to do a job, Debian once installed beats
the pants off just about anything else I have ever played with but to
get there with the minimum amount of pain. I have to use live CDs
Knoppix, Gentoo and then use the Debian debootstrap script it is an ugly
kludge but it works.
>
> Like I said, some people are too defensive about Debian, thinking that any
> criticism or suggestion for improvement is the equivalent of slapping in the
> face.
Nothing or no one is perfect (it hurt me the first time to admit that) I
deal with it and make the best of a bad job. Slink, Potato and Woody
sucked to install especially slink since I was very new to Linux and
system administration. Sarge though I haven't used it is said to be
better, though I will bet it will be Debian 3.2 before it really starts
to rock.
Peace Jim
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