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Re: Fund raising advertisement on the DPN

On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:35, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:19:36AM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote:
>> It has become clear that the current DPN is not consensus driven but
>> rather is captive to an agenda that doesn't serve the Debian
>> community.
> I beg to disagree, and I'm always scared when I read such absolute
> statements. We're trying to reach consensus here. As it always happen in
> Debian, those who get to say the final word are those who contribute the
> most.

It is very difficult to measure contribution and that is not the sole criteria either, it is also the type of contribution that is important. I point to the discussion about triggers involving Ian Jackson. He had legitimate need, had a contribution ready, and has obviously contributed a great deal to Debian. But the contribution was rejected for a time because a proper NMU process wasn't followed. This is as it should be, but it points the fact that contribution alone is not enough, you have to have a willingness to compromise.

Filipus is on record as saying he is not interested in consensus. David is not willing to compromise his arbitrary limitations on mentioning DebConf. I honestly don't see how we can move the discussion forward if we have contributors such as tolimar and buxy eager to reach a consensus that is common sense based and aligned with previous praxis and yet still gets rejected. After all, tolimar has contributed significantly more than anyone else to the DPN, has proposed a straight forward solution, and that is still unacceptable apparently. 

I don't share your optimism but I'll respect your preference to attempt to reach a consensus.

> Of course nothing stops anybody to "fork" and create something new. The
> fact that would be the best way to serve the Debian community has yet to
> be established.

Okay, then let's wait. I do think that the DPN should serve Debian's users as stated in the dfsg. If the DPN is beholden to those who are more interested in not publishing news and the newsletter doesn't get published, I think that is a loss for Debian's users. 



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