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Re: removing ftp:// from mirrors lists

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:20:28 +0200 (CEST)
Mattias Wadenstein <maswan@acc.umu.se> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Axel Beckert wrote:
> > Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Axel Beckert wrote:
> >>> But before we do that we should think over our mirror CNAME
> >>> scheme.
> >>
> >> No.
> >
> > Why?
> Because the ftp.ccTLD.debian.org names will need to stay around for
> at least 3-5 years from now, even if we can come to a conclusion to
> rename things ASAP this afternoon.

Sure, but continuing to use ftp.* as the primary name for a server that
doesn't offer FTP any more just seems plain silly.  Changing them to,
say, mirror.ccTLD.debian.org, and leaving ftp.ccTLD.debian.org as a
CNAME to mirror.ccTLD.debian.org would be easy and sensible.

> We sometimes provide FTP for legacy reasons on ftp.acc.umu.se (aka 
> ftp.se.debian.org), but if it breaks we certainly don't have any 
> monitoring or any hurry in fixing it - unlike our production
> protocols HTTP and rsync. FTP also has significantly worse
> performance than HTTP.

Right, so you as a mirror operator don't want to provide FTP - that's
just fine, and the consensus so far does appear to be "it should be up
to each mirror whether they want to offer FTP or not - it should not be
a requirement any more".
> The fact of it is that for many mirrors (and for the Debian mirror
> list checker), FTP is a deprecated legacy protocol that noone cares
> enough to fix anything for anymore, and any users lead into using it
> are users lead towards a worse user experience.

... and with that you jump to "I (and probably some other mirror admins)
don't want to support FTP, so all mention of it and support for it
should be withdrawn right now" which:

(a) concerns me, as people do still use FTP, and I'm sure there's
plenty of mirror operators out there who will continue to provide FTP
access, whichever way the discussion goes (I will); the mirror list
should, IMO, indicate which mirrors are providing FTP service and which

(b) suggests that the ftp.* names need to be changed ("mirror" would
seem a suitable replacement, I'd have thought).


Dave P

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