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Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

On ma, 2011-04-04 at 00:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
> If you read my mails without a prejudice you will notice it.

I have read all e-mails in this thread, and what constructive criticism
you may have given is buried under uncompromising prejudice. For

> If you mean the ifupdown-based configuration, then I cannot agree that
> it is "really disastrous" (I would agree that the network-manager
> approach is really disastrous, however) as at least in my cases (which
> are not so trivial) ifupdown works okay (and if not then at least I
> would know ways how to workaround problems).

You say Network Manager is disastrous, when it manifestly works quite
well for quite a number of people. It is hard to take you seriously,
when you say things that are so clearly wrong.

Please note that I am not taking any stance for or against ifupdown, or
even Network Manager. Neither is a universally acceptable solution for
all users all the time. It would be nice if this thread could morph into
a discussion of what such a solution would be like, and how to get
there, based on technical merit. The current shit-flinging dick size
contest is preventing that discussion. Please stop it.

That goes for everyone participating, not just Stanislav.

A necessary pre-condition for designing a solution would be to list use
cases and requirements that it needs to handle, and an assessment of
problems with current solutions. Bringing up things that current
solutions don't handle is perfectly OK, but needs to be done in a way
that doesn't antagonize those who have a preference among the existing
imperfect solutions. It's silly, but people do get emotionally attached
to software they know, especially if it's something they've helped
build. In a perfect world one could ignore such attachments, if they
existed at all, but we do not live in such a world. So if you (plural
you) do care about having a good way of configuring network interfaces,
you will refrain from insulting existing solutions, or ranting about
them, because that's not going to help.

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