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Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:

Bill Unruh <unruh@physics.ubc.ca> writes:

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:


No they are NOT irrelevant. For the users, that is the key. And surely it is
the users ( the customers) who should be the prime consideration.
I agree that legal issues are a concern, but they are almost always something
that can be worked through.

What I'm getting at is that they MUST be worked through before any
choice can be made which side to keep. At the moment the only choice
for Debian is to use the fork. The original is legally not an option
no matter how much user would like to have it (if they do, I don't).

The "better quality" of the original might be an incentive to work
through the legal stuff but you have to work through it before you can
even think about replacng the fork with it again.

Agreed, both sides have to come to the conclusion that they are operating
legally. On the plus side, Schilling would like to have his software
distributed in the distros. He is also strongly of the opinion that there is
no legal impediment to that happening. Debian is of the opinion that there IS
an impediment. It is not that Schilling recognizes the impediment and refuses
to clear it, it is that he does not believe that there is one. Thus both sides
are to a large extent on the same page (wanting to distribute and to do so
without legal impediment). Now the question is, is there some way of clearing
out the underbrush so that both sides agree that there is no impediment. (Note that the chances of any legal action being taken by anyone with respect
to cdrtools is miniscule. So it is not fear that stands in the way, but a
"legal quibble".

original is just undistributable and therefore the fork is the only
option, no matter how bad it is (and it works for me [tm]).

Sorry, that is how it works. He has reported a bug. Here. If what he says is
right, namely it does not work with SCSI it is a bug which should have been
caught before it ever went out the door

Will you buy the maintainer all kinds of scsi burners so they can test
each? I myself and several others have used debians cdrecord with scsi
just fine so the bug must be some quirk of that specific config. You
can never forsee all those quirks.

Look I never said that maintaining is easy. It is not. And Schilling has proven himself willing to do it, to buy "all kinds of scsi
burners" or get ahold of them, and make it work. That is worth a HUGE amount.

As such dear authors keep your spirits high. Your efforts are highly
valued and not wasted.

Well, really they are. There is this piece of software which does everything
they want it to do, and they are tinkering with an old version of that same
software, trying to keep up, and not really wanting to do so.
  This whole thing would be a farce if it were not a tragedy.
Maybe it is impossible to bring Schilling and Debian together. Sometimes
tragedies do occur, but that is where the efforts should go.

And here we have to disagree. I don't see Schilling moving one iota
from his position and trying to compromise with someone so set in
stone is just wasted.

Well, I think there is the problem. This has come down to personal issues, not
legal or technical. Everyone is so dug into their positions that they simply
spend time lobbing grenades at each other, rather then trying to work through
the problem. Yes, Schilling is "difficult" but by now, so is Debian. The
amount of childish vituperation that has been seen in this discussion mostly
but not all coming from the Debian side is pretty disgusting.

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