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Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Memnon Anon <gegendosenfleisch@gmail.com> writes:

> But! From a user-only perspective:
> Do I think that the software Joerg Schilling provides is superior?
> Yes.

I've tried it back when Debian still had a cdrecord and that, on
request by Joerg Schilling, did not include the dvd burning patch. One
had to rebuild the cdrecord package with the "dvd=yes"
manually. Debian users where deprived of DVD burning in the official
package just to accomodate Joerg Schilling. So much for the then
maintainer not trying to work with him.

First I installed his cdrecord and then it still just said the media
is to big for a CD. So you hunt some more and find the DVD
version. Grudgingly I installed that and it complained about not
having a license key. The fun of non-free software. Some more hunting
to find out there is a key at no cost for linux users and getting that
installed and it still couldn't burn DVDs.

apt-get source cdrecord
sensible-editor debian/rules   to set dvd=yes
debuild -us -uc
sudo dpkg -i cdrecord*deb

Worked perfectly ever since.

> I saw several distributions turning away from Schilli software, yet,
> several of them returned. People are lazy, they do not always write 
> bug reports, even if they should. But I saw people on debian.user
> and debian.user.german, who got their devices working, when
> Debian packages failed.

This might be cruel but I don't care at all about those people. Software
does not fix itself. By not reporting bugs they have lost the right to
complain about it. Call it a cost of free/open software. Nobody claims
Debian software is free as in beer, only free as in speech. It just
makes me sad that people are unwilling to spend the 5 minutes it takes
to run reportbug and detail what burnder they have and how the problem
presents itself.

> I am not certain, I am no "code writer", still, this is my impression.

There seem to be experiences going both ways. That is a common effect
in forks. Both will fix the bugs that people report or experience
themself and those don't always match.

> So, do I say, Debian should revert its policy?
> No!
> If Debian as a whole considers this software as non-free, or at least
> as debatable, fine. Thats a reason, and I certainly trust debian more
> than a single person or some obscure emails.
> Debian stands for freedom, and every single debian user knows:
> If you use debian, there (might be some, but generally speaking)
> are no compromises to this. Great!
> But, on the other hand, please do not try to stress that the debian 
> fork is as good as Schillings. It is not necessary, the 
> non-free argument is enough! 

ACK. At this point the quality of the original and fork are completly
irrelevant and I hope more people do see that. In Debians eyes the
original is just undistributable and therefore the fork is the only
option, no matter how bad it is (and it works for me [tm]).

> To all the maintainers of the fork:
> I sincerely beg your pardon, if my impression is just wrong, 
> and I really consider every work for debian important.
> This is my impression, and as this thread more and more 
> circles around "bugs in wodim" etc., especially, since a posting,
> stating that wodim does _not_ work for everyone as fine, 
> gets the "You sent no bugreport" answer (which is true!, but imho
> reflects the experience of a lot of people out there)
> , I wanted to share my impression. 

I think the "You sent no bugreport" answere reflects some frustration
of the authors of the fork. It is verry frustrating to be torn down
for how bad the fork is without being given any hint in what way and
how it could be fixed.

As such dear authors keep your spirits high. Your efforts are highly
valued and not wasted.

> Someone in this thread mentioned something like, that users are clever 
> enough to not fall for this wrong statements, that the fork has more bugs.
> Sorry, I do. Still, I think debian is better of without Schillings software.
> /me should just shut up.
> Feel free to correct me or  ignore my posting.
> I certainly will say no more on this topic...


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