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Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> writes:

> Michelle wrote:
>>Josselin, HOW can someone try to support something, if SCSI  support  is
>>droped?  The SCSI support require VERY MUCH working on it and I have  NO
>>CLUE about SCSI programming.
> Michelle,
> You may have no clue about SCSI programming, but I'd hope you have
> some about how to report bugs. I don't see any wodim bugs from you
> describing your problem, which makes it a little difficult for us to
> do anything for you.

Okay. I could /kick/ myself for answering anything in this thread, but I 
have to.

I have no clue about the law-side of this, but from a mere user side:
(debian user since potato)

Do I think, Joerg Schilling is a pleasant upstream to work with?

Do I think, Joerg Schilling is good in communication or only really
trying to reestabilish a good relationship?
Certainly not!

But! From a user-only perspective:

Do I think that the software Joerg Schilling provides is superior?

I saw several distributions turning away from Schilli software, yet,
several of them returned. People are lazy, they do not always write 
bug reports, even if they should. But I saw people on debian.user
and debian.user.german, who got their devices working, when
Debian packages failed.

I am not certain, I am no "code writer", still, this is my impression.

So, do I say, Debian should revert its policy?

If Debian as a whole considers this software as non-free, or at least
as debatable, fine. Thats a reason, and I certainly trust debian more
than a single person or some obscure emails.
Debian stands for freedom, and every single debian user knows:
If you use debian, there (might be some, but generally speaking)
are no compromises to this. Great!

But, on the other hand, please do not try to stress that the debian 
fork is as good as Schillings. It is not necessary, the 
non-free argument is enough! 

To all the maintainers of the fork:

I sincerely beg your pardon, if my impression is just wrong, 
and I really consider every work for debian important.

This is my impression, and as this thread more and more 
circles around "bugs in wodim" etc., especially, since a posting,
stating that wodim does _not_ work for everyone as fine, 
gets the "You sent no bugreport" answer (which is true!, but imho
reflects the experience of a lot of people out there)
, I wanted to share my impression. 

Someone in this thread mentioned something like, that users are clever 
enough to not fall for this wrong statements, that the fork has more bugs.
Sorry, I do. Still, I think debian is better of without Schillings software.

/me should just shut up.
Feel free to correct me or  ignore my posting.
I certainly will say no more on this topic...

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