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Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:02:55 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> said: 

> On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 10:51:40AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > Do you have examples of collaborative maintenance projects where
>> > the "no one is responsible" part plays a role, making people
>> > willing to go back to non-collaborative maintenance?
>> Yes, there was a mention of it just this month on
>> #debian-devel. I am unwilling to derail this thread with the merits
>> of the maintainer and package team's position in this instance by
>> naming names and bringing the affair into the limelight, but I can
>> send you excerpts of the log privately.

> Yes, please do so.

> Still, if all goes down to if DDs feel better about team maintenance
> than individual maintenance, we can easily set up a poll and check
> the numbers. As a figure it would be pretty interesting to me.

        We do not vote for every decision there is --- and this does
 not boil down to the tyranny of the majority.  For my packages, it
 still remains just my decision --- unless you can get three quarters
 of the membership to decide to change the nature of Debian

>> It could go either way, of course, but I was referring to the
>> difference between due diligence of a group, as opposed to an
>> individual; potentially, a team is only as strong as the weakest
>> link.

> That's nonsense.

        No, it is merely lack of imagination.

> How do you support the "weakest link" argument?

        One sucky member uploads a slightly flawed or untested
 version, and the flaw  is undetected until it hits testing and
 imapacts lots of people, or if the flaw is minor enough that no one
 uploads a new version --- the quality of implementation suffers.

> Teams like we have in Debian do not work serially, and the

        So now we not only mandate teams, we also define how teams
 work?  The one team maintained package I am involved in seems to
 always work serially, so your statement is not universal anyway.

        Anyway, we are getting nowhwere.  People who feel like forming
 team can. People who don't should not be forced into one.

        [Snip a whole lot of stuff about how we should take a poll and
        decide on a course of action based on majority opinion]

Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. George Carlin
Manoj Srivastava   <srivasta@debian.org>  <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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