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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 10:06:05PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:

> Personal communication is how development works in the entire rest of
> the free software world, I really don't see why Ubuntu is different.

This strikes me as ironic, considering that you are attempting to hold
Ubuntu to a standard which has not been met by many prominent Debian
derivatives over the years.  I don't know whether your opinions about Ubuntu
have a personal or professional basis, but if there is work to be done to
improve this situation, its scope is well beyond Ubuntu, and we would do
well to avoid finger-pointing and conspiracy theories in favor of
considering it in a more general context.

I have myself, in Debian capacity, had to chase down developers of Debian
derivatives in order to obtain patches from them in any form other than a
sprawling diff relative to a much older Debian package.

The fact is that Ubuntu has proactively contributed a lot of code back to
Debian, much more than most Debian derivatives have.  I see no reason why
claims that Ubuntu is not doing _enough_, or making it easy _enough_ for
Debian to merge its work pales in contrast to the fact that many other
organizations have done, and are doing, nothing whatsoever in this regard.
The level of suspicion that has been directed at Ubuntu in this regard is
completely out of proportion.

 - mdz

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