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Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 09:54:41PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 02:46:01PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > you're right - non-free is not in Debian GNU/Linux itself.  that's
> > certainly true.
> > 
> > the problem is that you think a little hand-waving and yelling will make
> > everyone forget that a non-free section is in the the debian archive and
> > that we can just get rid of it without disrupting anything or
> > inconveniencing anyone.
> I did not state the removal from the next release would have zero impact.  I
> believe, though, that the impact will be negligible.

Why you continue to use the semantic argument that "non-free is not part of
Debian now" continues to puzzle me.  What are you hoping to accomplish with
this line of reasoning?  What does it have to do with the issue at hand?

> Nominally, you have accepted the same social contract as everyone else and
> would claim to adhere to Debian's strong Free Software stance.  I fail to
> see why you are taking such a pro-proprietary stance within an organization
> such as Debian.

Unless the Social Contract has changed recently, then I would expect that
anyone who "claims to adhere" to it would support the existence of contrib
and non-free, since 5 *explicitly* states that we will provide our users
with access to this software.  If he's taking a pro-proprietary stance, then
so is the Social Contract.

> Yes, it is such a shame that I would have you alter a dozen or so characters
> in your sources.list.  BTW, you do realize that I maintain non-free packages
> myself, right?

It's really irrelevant that you maintain non-free packages.  I don't know why
people (you included) keep bringing it up.

> You still have yet to point out how this actually hurts people.

It takes something that people have access to now and shuts it off.  I bet
when your hot water stops working, you're on the phone with a plumber within 
an hour.  Why?  You don't need it, you can get just as clean with cold


Adam McKenna  <adam@debian.org>  <adam@flounder.net>

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