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Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)

On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 07:31:24PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug.
> > 
> > If it only takes a few seconds, then why do you object to being asked to
> > do it yourself? ;)

> Because frequently the developer knows what's expected out of the
> other BTS's community and how that BTS works.  My understanding is one
> of the functions of the developers is to act as an embassador between
> the Debian users and the upstream community.

> Plus, users reporting bugs do Debian (and the upstream maintainers) a
> favor, why make the users jump through *more* hoops?

Oh, poppycock.  Users don't report bugs to do us any *favors*, they
report bugs out of self-interest.  How many users go out of their way to
look for bugs that don't actually impede their use of the software?

I'm not saying that users' efforts in filing bugs aren't *appreciated*,
but as noted, there's sometimes only so much a maintainer can do given
the volume of bugs that have to be handled; and sometimes we have to
depend on users for more than just sending us bug reports in order to
get bugs fixed.  I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your conception of how
Debian should work, but I as far as I can see, the only way for you to
change this is by becoming a maintainer to make sure there's enough
manpower to go around -- which may help reduce the work imposed upon
users in the general case, but doesn't seem to help you very much if
your concern is making sure that *you* don't have to talk to upstream...

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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