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Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)

On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:21:00PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:45:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Whining about Debian developers whining about upstream implies that you
> > expect Debian developers to fix every problem.  For instance, I suppose

> My problem is some developers will tell the user to submit it
> upstream, when my understanding is the devel is supposed to flag it as
> upstream and go submit it upstream themselves, since they're supposed
> to have an idea what bugs are upstream anyway, and know how to provide
> more helpful input for upstream.

If the developer feels that the best way to get the bug fixed upstream
is by having the bug submitter communicate with them, that too is valid,
IMHO.  I don't think this means that the time spent filing the bug with
the Debian BTS is wasted, since there's still some benefit in having the
package maintainer make that determination; but there are lots of bugs to
go around, and maintainers can be stretched rather thin at times, so
sometimes what it boils down to is that the maintainer asks the bug
submitter to work with upstream directly, or the maintainer has to add
the bug to the bottom of his own long TODO list.

If a bug submitter comes to me with a well-formed patch for an upstream
issue, there are definitely times that it helps if the submitter can talk
directly with upstream about it, rather than using me as a relay for

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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