On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 03:13:57PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 01:02:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > > In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves > > > me some time. After all I want to get my job done and I want to have > > > some time left for leisure or for working on stuff like free software. > > > > You restrict yourself to get some leisure. Don't complain that you are > > restricted from doing something afterways when it doesn't work anymore > > and you don't have leisure anymore. > > That's fine with me. At least I'll have a lot more leisure when using > an available product instead of re-inventing the wheel. Even RMS used > commercial software when the GNU software for it was not yet written. > With your logic he would have written the Hurd kernel and gcc, libc, etc. > before using a computer. And of course he would have written it in > machine language since there was no sufficiently versatile free C > compiler available. Software always used to be free. That changed, but RMS didn't change. I don't what software he used to write parts of GNU, but it could have been free, there was enough free software at time. Oh, and 1) the Hurd isn't a kernel 2) RMS has never written anything of it AFAIK. > > > Like you I want other people to use free software as well because then > > > I hope not being asked about those silly opaque problems in proprietary > > > programs anymore. > > > > Please don't see you want it like me. I like it because of moral > > things, you just because you get some advantages of it. If non-free > > Please don't tell me why I am using free software. I am using it > mostly for moral reasons and this is why I am in the Debian project > after all - I want to give back to the community. You just said that you wanted other people to use free software because you probably won't get any questions about non-free software anymore. I don't consider that a moral reason, but if you also have other reasons, I take that back. > > software give you (short-term) advantages then you even use that. I > > would never do that because free software is always better in the long > > term. > > So please don't boot your PC. Or do you have a free BIOS installed? No, because it's unavoidable to have a non-free BIOS, read just what I said. > > > But I am not going to attack anybody because he > > > likes the proprietary stuff better, not even if it is extreme silly to > > > do so. If somebody tells me about yet another Outlook problem I will > > > just smirk and go on to the next email. > > > > Yes, and I will tell him why he has this problems and that there is > > some solutions for it (namely using a good, free MUA). You just let > > the person helpless, I try to point him to the fix. However if you try > > to help somebody you should not be a debian developers because you > > You never tried to help somebody. I haven't? > You are only projecting your view on > other persons and taking their freedom away. Where did I take anybodies freedom away? Please don't pick random sentences and use them on me. Jeroen Dekkers -- Jabber supporter - http://www.jabber.org Jabber ID: jdekkers@jabber.org Debian GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org IRC: jeroen@openprojects
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