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Re: moving of dinstall run time on master.

On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 11:11:30PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> Stephen Crowley <crow@debian.org> writes:
> > Uhhh no. Changing the dinstall time will not affect the project at all.
> > Nuking directories WILL affect the project. That is is where the line is
> > drawn.
> 1. This particular change can effect Debian.
>    For instance, changing it to an off-peak time in the US may cause
>    us to lose tier-1 mirrors elsewhere because they can't afford
>    the bandwidth at that time.  This effects us.

I highly doubt that, bandwidth is cheaper at night than it is in the middle
of the day. Unless of course there is a Tier-1 mirror on the other side of
the world.

> 2. Allowing them to modify personal files effects us.
>    If we have no faith that files on master will be unmutilated,
>    we have serious trouble.

At least he is asking what it should be changed to, he would have just went
and did it without notice. And who says he will do it personally? He may
just ask guy to change it.

> Who decides whether it effects us?  They apparently have here.  We
> need to make that decision.

This obviously doesnt affect the project. I am talking about this issue
specifically, not any hypothetical situation which may arise. All issues
like this should be decided on an individual basis.

> What if they disagree with us on that matter?  They have basically
> said our opinions are irrevelant.

Then we find someone else to host it.

> > > Ohhh.  I see.  So because somebody gives us stuff, they now have a
> > > magical control over the project?  Interesting philosophy.
> > 
> > No, like i said, they should have control over things which do not affect
> > the project. Your generalities dont apply here.
> But you are saying that they get to decide what effects the project.
> So they say, "x doesn't effect you, so we'll do x" even if x does
> impact us.

Then that is a problem and we look for someone else to host.

> > Let's be realistic, please stop making up these stories (no matter how
> > entertaining they may be) and look at the facts. Novare wants to change the
> > dinstall time, they are taking suggestions on when to move it to. How is
> > this being unreasonable? They could just say "screw it" and pull the
> > project. By your reasoning they do not have this right.
> How does my reasoning deny this?  Of course they have the right to
> pull the bandwidth from us (again, unless we have some sort of
> contract).  They do not have the right to tell us how we will run our
> affairs.

They are hardly dictating our affairs. If they would have said "dinstall
will only run once a week" then that would be cause for concern, all they
are doing is moving dinstall to a time which will be better for *all* our
mirrors and not just novare.

Stephen Crowley
Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org

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