-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1You apparently also missed the part of the original message saying I had lots of machines to test on. You also seemed to miss me saying I'd like to work with the ONE helpful person that responded. And yet again, you have to send back yet another unhelpful, condescending message that serves only to stroke your own ego. I work for a small struggling company that managed to survive the dot com blow up and would be more than willing to work with others in getting this important feature added, and have said this before. I'm sure there are TONS of admins that use or would like to use Debian but find the install process too arduous because it favors old antiquated "hobby" systems over server systems.
Please take note people: people like Mr Wright are the #1 single biggest drawback to using Debian. Its a great system, has many great features, is something I can use that makes me feel like I've done something "right" on so many levels. Quite frankly the installer has been a mess for a long time. I am beginning to see exactly why.
No, I don't have tons of budget or free systems to throw around, all I could offer is time and systems to test on. Which is more than Mr Wright has offered.
Mark Demma iWin, Inc. Senior Network and Systems Administrator http://www.iwin.com/ http://www.playsite.com On 14 Apr 2004, at 15:16, elijah wright wrote:
Excuse me, but how exactly is yet another snobbish tirade helpful to anyone? The "do it your own damn self" responses are useless, not helpful to anyone and only serve to boost the ego of the writer. Offers to help are useful. Offers to work together are useful. Suggestions of other people working on this are helpful. Yet another snob wanting to feel superior by saying "do it your own damn self" ISN'T.The -boot list isn't a good place for this conversation, either, frankly. But people would like to see you understand how things work, and so theyare trying to work with you. How about a different tack:You are a corporate user. You are asking people to do things for free to help your business run better that you have not yet (as far as I can see) expressed willingness to support. If you want to 'encourage' someone to do something, you could try bribing them with a hardware donation or somefinancial support. It Can Work. --elijahMark Demma iWin, Inc. Senior Network and Systems Administrator http://www.iwin.com/ http://www.playsite.com On 14 Apr 2004, at 14:44, elijah wright wrote:Or doesn't work, as the case may be. I'm just making a request, something that I really think should have been included ages ago ifDebian wants to be seriously considered beyond hobbyists. No need toget into a snit and make personal attacks for some one making a request for a feature. Debian has many many many fantastic virtues... being attacked by people for pointing out glaringomissions and saying "hey guys, you really should do this if you wantto be taken seriously" is NOT one of them.If something is not getting any attention, then it probably means thatnot enough people with the appropriate technical skills give a shit about it. This is usually a good barometer of whether something is useful to the established masses of serious users or not.If you care about it, then you are the logical person to work on thosefeatures. I think other people have already told you this.No one works on things they don't care about - you get very bad outputif you are 'forced' to do something you don't want to do. elijahMark Demma iWin, Inc. Senior Network and Systems Administrator http://www.iwin.com/ http://www.playsite.com On 9 Apr 2004, at 23:14, Christian Perrier wrote:Quoting Mark Demma (mark@iwin.com):this happen on my own. Its a shame that something this important isNo it is not a "shame". I maybe overreact because I'm not a native speaker but calling this a "shame" as we call this in french "c'est une honte" is needlessly aggressive, especially to people who are currently doing other work on Debian Installer even for getting it install on that old Sinclair. You may regret this, for sure. But, well, this is the way Debian works for years : things are done when someone has enough interest AND skills AND time for doing them. So, sorry to say this, but if software RAID is that important foryou that the world should stop if you don't have it....make all yourpossible for finding someone to do it. *this* is definitely the way Debian works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAfacwTw/rh8k29J8RAiY1AJ9ssWkHo0aoTxf22vj+x7t95jYIIwCggwCr 1PN7pdIOW0Z4CGf0ZXXb1Wc= =Z/ed -----END PGP SIGNATURE----------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAfbQDTw/rh8k29J8RApGsAKCUZAFOIsUglov5fKSwWsnMqvo6BACeLZyL NP2Ry9uhJA+vpB6pi0Qqjww= =TssS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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